[NSRCA-discussion] FAI Judges for finals at the Nats

Thu Mar 27 06:05:35 AKDT 2008

I think it may be an idea waiting to blossom.

I have long wished for an airplane like a 40 size Extra 300 that flies like a 2 meter pattern plane. I can accept that is not pattern legal. I expect the total contests that I might compete in with my remaining life expectancy is well under 50 but hopefully my days at the field are well over that number. I would like to be able to enjoy my flying more.

Uncle Sam don't send his birds aloft without exotic electronics these days.

The proposed aircraft might function as a cross between a 2 meter bird and a simulator. If the characteristics are close enough it could provide a lower cost method for practice.

If it could be:
Easier to transport
Use less fuel/batteries
programmed for ground avoidance

Then: 
It would justify a budget on par with the existing 2 meter competition birds.

Bear in mind, I am getting a little cabin fever with the limited mobility issues I am currently dealing with...

John Ferrell    W8CCW

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke
http://DixieNC.US

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: JShulman 
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  Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 9:55 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAI Judges for finals at the Nats

  When the $$$$$ is right, the size and weight are low and there is a new class...lol

  Sportsman
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  Jason
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    -----Original Message-----
    From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Lance Van Nostrand
    Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 7:41 PM
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    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAI Judges for finals at the Nats

    At work we just bought some GPSs that have 100ms sample rates and 1m accuracy (I guess the military cloak is lifting??).  When will we have plotting and pattern recognition software that can plot your flight and give a non-biased score?
    --Lance

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Jerry Stebbins 
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      Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 8:05 AM
      Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAI Judges for finals at the Nats

      Also nothing has been said about ego's. There are always some pilots (all classes) that do not get the scores "they think they flew". Then they gripe about the "name" pilots getting a break and do not accept that they DID NOT fly as well as they thought! 
      Such is life--
      Those are the ones I would be a lot more concerned about!
      Jerry
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Matthew Frederick 
        To: NSRCA Mailing List 
        Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 10:37 PM
        Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAI Judges for finals at the Nats

        I know when I'm being petty I always try to be logical about it...
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Lance Van Nostrand 
          To: NSRCA Mailing List 
          Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 8:16 PM
          Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAI Judges for finals at the Nats

          Seems to me the more direct line threat would be the FAI guy that didn't make the finals and is asked to judge Masters on a pilot that was in his judging panel, or vice versa.  The case of a guy in the same class carrying sour grapes against a guy that flew in front of the same judges is simply absurd.  I won't argue that it doesn't exist, but if you are going to be petty, at least be logical about it :)
          --Lance

            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: rcmaster199 at aol.com 
            To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
            Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 11:06 AM
            Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAI Judges for finals at the Nats

            Hmmmm!! The guys who made the Final were not scored by their same-class peers!! So, if the guys who didn't make the Final were given the opportunity to judge the guys who did, then the potential for a few sour grapes could exist....I think that's what John seems to say.

            Considering the number of times we have cussed and discussed on this list the issue of grudges carrying over to the judging chairs, John has a point

            MattK

            -----Original Message-----
            From: Lance Van Nostrand <patterndude at tx.rr.com>
            To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
            Sent: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 1:09 am
            Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAI Judges for finals at the Nats

I dont' understand where revenge scoring has a base.  The guys that made the   finals didn't give themselves the scores they got.  --Lance    ----- Original Message -----   From: "John Ferrell" <johnferrell at earthlink.net>  To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 1:59 PM  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAI Judges for finals at the Nats      > Some one always raises the question of whether or not enough healing has  > taken place for the recently defeated to be objective.  >  > I think it is asking too much of them to judge without a little time  > off..and if not, it should keep the finalis!
 t from worrying about a   > "revenge  > score".  >  > If we were all perfect I would agree, they are well qualified.  >  > John Ferrell    W8CCW  >  > "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do  > nothing." -- Edmund Burke  > http://DixieNC.US  >  > ----- Original Message -----   > From: "JShulman" <jshulman at cfl.rr.com>  > To: "NSRCA" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:04 PM  > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FAI Judges for finals at the Nats  >  >  >> Happy Easter  >>  >> Last night the great dinner discussion was why can't we use Semifinalists  >> as Finals judges during the Nats. I know this has come up  >> before, but not sure if it was ever discussed more, or what the outcome  >!
 ;> was. Why couldn't we use semifinalist pilots as judges? What  &g

t;> better pilots to know the F sequence than those that have to fly it?  >>  >> When you are all done with your Easter weekend, this should help bring in  >> the new week...lol.  >>  >> Regards,  >> Jason  >> www.jasonshulman.com  >> www.shulmanaviation.com  >> www.composite-arf.com  >> No virus found in this outgoing message.  >> Checked by AVG.  >> Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1338 - Release Date:   >> 3/21/2008  >> 5:52 PM  >>  >>  >> _______________________________________________  >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list  >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org  >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion  >>  >  >  > _______________________________________________  > NSRCA-discussion mailing list  > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org  > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion     _______________________________________________  NSRCA-discussion mailing list  NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org  http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion  
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