[NSRCA-discussion] FAI Judges for finals at the Nats

Sun Mar 23 17:03:07 AKDT 2008

There always seem to be several permament full-time judges that don't fly at
the Nats.  Last year we had Matt K., Bob Noll and Tom Miller to name a few.
I know there were a couple of others.

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I thought there was someplace that one could just sign-up to be a judge. I'd
have to check back on my registration form. I know that there have been
judges in the past that have just judged the FAI finals. Adding the
semifinalists to the Masters and dedicated judges could help if there are
any shortages of judges during the finals.

Regards,
Jason
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Guys,
 Is there a requirement that you must be a pilot (entered in some class that
is flying) in order to judge at the NAT's? If not, then what would be wrong
with having people sign up as judges only? I know a few people who go to the
NATs to just watch who certainly could qualify as capable judges. Maybe this
would help with the apparent "problem". Just wondering.

John Pavlick
http://www.idseng.com

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In past Nats, pre-semifinals in F3A, I know Don Ramsey and I scrambled to
fill chairs for both the F3A and Masters Final. If the F3A semifinalists
really wanted to judge they should step forward and be counted....that would
make the Chief Judge's job a heck of a lot easier. But these folks should
understand that an assignment might be the Masters Final OR the F3A Final.

It must be understood that the guys who aspire to judge the F3A Final have
at least a familiarity with the F sequence and its nuances. Guys who already
fly the sequence, as Jason points out, should have the requirements hands
down, but Derek may be right here also, it's no guarantee that they can
score it correctly, anymore than anyone else. 

I'm not sure I like the idea of having these folks step up after they are
defeated, however, having more guys is better than having less. It would be
up to the Chief Judge to make the calls

MattK

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From: krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com>
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I had your #2 answer only Derek, otherwise I think it could work. I feel an
Fai pilot is just as capable as any other pilot to judge his own class. Also
an Fai pilot could be just as objective as and other judge. I only say this
as Masters judges could also be a lesser judge for the competition if their
team member is flying against a rival. Not saying it happens, but it could.
I haven't attended a nats yet, so I don't know how the judging is. Just my
opinion, I know you've been there many times Derek. I'm sure I don't have a
clue. lol   <http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/29.gif> 

C

Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com> wrote:

I can think of several reasons why not to use semi-final judges...

1. Who says that they are good judges? Just because one can fly a sequence
doesn't mean one is a good judge - seen this many times over.
2. Could be a conflict in certain cases - what happens if one semi-final
pilot feels they should have made the finals instead of some other pilots?
3. Can they truly be objective - all the time?

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Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FAI Judges for finals at the Nats

Happy Easter

Last night the great dinner discussion was why can't we use Semifinalists as
Finals judges during the Nats. I know this has come up before, but not sure
if it was ever discussed more, or what the outcome was. Why couldn't we use
semifinalist pilots as judges? What better pilots to know the F sequence
than those that have to fly it?

When you are all done with your Easter weekend, this should help bring in
the new week...lol.

Regards,
Jason
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