[NSRCA-discussion] FAI Judges for finals at the Nats

[Ron Van Putte]

It's amazing how things come around.  In the 1996 Nats, NONE of the  
judges were pilots who were entered in the Nats.  Now we're talking  
of allowing people who are not entered in the Nats be a judge.

In fact, I believe that there's never been a Nats in which non-pilots  
didn't judge.  Thank goodness for them, because if they judge three  
half-day sessions, we need three fewer pilots to judge

Ron Van Putte

On Mar 23, 2008, at 5:20 PM, John Pavlick wrote:

> Guys,
>  Is there a requirement that you must be a pilot (entered in some  
> class that is flying) in order to judge at the NAT's? If not, then  
> what would be wrong with having people sign up as judges only? I  
> know a few people who go to the NATs to just watch who certainly  
> could qualify as capable judges. Maybe this would help with the  
> apparent "problem". Just wondering.
>
> John Pavlick
> http://www.idseng.com
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>
> In past Nats, pre-semifinals in F3A, I know Don Ramsey and I  
> scrambled to fill chairs for both the F3A and Masters Final. If the  
> F3A semifinalists really wanted to judge they should step forward  
> and be counted....that would make the Chief Judge's job a heck of a  
> lot easier. But these folks should understand that an assignment  
> might be the Masters Final OR the F3A Final.
>
> It must be understood that the guys who aspire to judge the F3A  
> Final have at least a familiarity with the F sequence and its  
> nuances. Guys who already fly the sequence, as Jason points out,  
> should have the requirements hands down, but Derek may be right  
> here also, it's no guarantee that they can score it correctly,  
> anymore than anyone else.
>
> I'm not sure I like the idea of having these folks step up after  
> they are defeated, however, having more guys is better than having  
> less. It would be up to the Chief Judge to make the calls
>
> MattK
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com>
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> Sent: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 3:08 pm
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAI Judges for finals at the Nats
>
> I had your #2 answer only Derek, otherwise I think it could work. I  
> feel an Fai pilot is just as capable as any other pilot to judge  
> his own class. Also an Fai pilot could be just as objective as and  
> other judge. I only say this as Masters judges could also be a  
> lesser judge for the competition if their team member is flying  
> against a rival. Not saying it happens, but it could. I haven't  
> attended a nats yet, so I don't know how the judging is. Just my  
> opinion, I know you've been there many times Derek. I'm sure I  
> don't have a clue. lol
>
> C
>
> Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com> wrote:
> I can think of several reasons why not to use semi-final judges...
>
> 1. Who says that they are good judges? Just because one can fly a  
> sequence
> doesn't mean one is a good judge - seen this many times over.
> 2. Could be a conflict in certain cases - what happens if one semi- 
> final
> pilot feels they should have made the finals instead of some other  
> pilots?
> 3. Can they truly be objective - all the time?
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of  
> JShulman
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 12:04 PM
> To: NSRCA
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FAI Judges for finals at the Nats
>
> Happy Easter
>
> Last night the great dinner discussion was why can't we use  
> Semifinalists as
> Finals judges during the Nats. I know this has come up before, but  
> not sure
> if it was ever discussed more, or what the outcome was. Why  
> couldn't we use
> semifinalist pilots as judges? What better pilots to know the F  
> sequence
> than those that have to fly it?
>
> When you are all done with your Easter weekend, this should help  
> bring in
> the new week...lol.
>
> Regards,
> Jason
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