[NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA-discussion Digest, Vol 28, Issue 209
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> 1. Re: Looking for a Dave Scully in Ohio (Karl G. Mueller)
> 2. Eclipse wing attachment (Bob Wilson)
> 3. Re: Li-Mn Batteries (Anthony Romano)
> 4. Re: Looking for a Dave Scully in Ohio (Bob Richards)
> 5. Re: Eclipse wing attachment (Anthony Romano)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:34:00 -0500
> From: "Karl G. Mueller"
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Looking for a Dave Scully in Ohio
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> Verne,
>
> I think I got the last two Summit III kits that Scully produced at the time.
> One of these went to Bob Kane after I flew it for a few years and he passed
> it on to some one else. Don't know if it is still flying today, but mine is.
> I get it out every spring to see if the fingers are still working before I
> go back to the 2 m versions.
>
> Karl G. Mueller
> kgamueller at rogers.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Verne Koester"
> To: "NSRCA Mailing List"
> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Looking for a Dave Scully in Ohio
>
>
> > Everytime I see Wayne Ullery, I ask about Dave. Dave and Pat moved to
> > Bradenton, Florida after they sold Aero Composites and retired. That was
> > probably ten years ago or so. Wayne Ullery is Qui Que's caller and partner
> > for those that don't know him. I last saw Wayne in Argentina at the
> World's
> > and asked about Dave as usual. Wayne had been in touch with shortly before
> > that. Wayne's probably your best bet to get in touch with Dave. Scully was
> > truly a pioneer in composite construction. A lot of what we see and marvel
> > at today was already happening at the "Scully skunkworks" twenty years
> ago.
> > Wayne Ullery was right in there as well. Scully got out of the pattern kit
> > business years ago and did contract work for the military. Anyway, hope
> this
> > helps.
> >
> > Verne Koester
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron Van Putte"
> > To: "NSRCA Mailing List"
> > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 5:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Looking for a Dave Scully in Ohio
> >
> >
> > > The last time I saw Dave Scully was back in Dayton, Ohio in the late
> > > 1960s and 1970s. He was a member of the Western Ohio Radio Kontrol
> > > Society (WORKS).
> > >
> > > Ron Van Putte
> > >
> > > On Mar 22, 2008, at 1:18 PM, Martin X. Moleski, SJ wrote:
> > >
> > >> I have a TOC history on my website:
> > >>
> > >> http://moleski.net/rc/toc.htm
> > >>
> > >> There is this note on it:
> > >>
> > >>> From Jon Britt, Grain Valley, MO (near Kansas City):
> > >>
> > >>> Mike McConville's commentary about the biplanes at the 1984 TOC is
> > >>> correct. In
> > >>> 1984, Dean Koger and I each flew a Skybolt designed by Dave Scully
> > >>> (Dayton,
> > >>> OH). Hanno Prettner's was disqualified.
> > >>
> > >> Mike Heneghan, USAF (Ret), knew a Dave Scully in Thailand
> > >> in 1973. He and Dave were both in the RC club there.
> > >>
> > >> Anybody know Dave? Mike would like to say hi to him.
> > >>
> > >> Marty
> > >>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 09:39:10 -0500
> From: "Bob Wilson"
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Eclipse wing attachment
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> I just bought a used CA Models "Eclipse" with a YS 140, Hitori pipe etc.
> I have a question about the wing attachment.
> Each wing half slides onto the aluminum center tube and there is an incident
> adjustment peg on the fuse that the trailing edge of each wing fits over.
> The aluminum center tube is tapped for a 4-40 bolt about 8 inches out from
> the fuse on both sides. Once the wing halfs are slid onto the tube, theses
> 4-40 bolts are inserted through the top of the wing.
>
> That's it! Kind of a cheesey arrangement.
>
> There is a hole in the fuse at the leading edge of the wing and a
> corresponcding (plywood reinforced) hole in each wing half. However, there
> isn't any hardware associated with these attachment points. I think
> something is ovbviously missing and would appreciate it if anyone with
> "Eclipse" experience could help me out.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob Wilson
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> Bob
I have built and flown several of these. Don't use the 4-40 bolt thru the top of the wing. What is missing in the front of the wing is a 1/4 x 20 bolt that is mounted into the wing half and the nut is threaded on thru the canopy opening for installing and removing the wing.. FYI
Mike Wingo
NSRCA 54
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:56:32 -0400
> From: Anthony Romano
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Mn Batteries
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> Hi Wayne,
> Never touched a LiMn cell but have about 70 flights on some A123's in a
> Vanquish. LiFe are much more durable than Lipo but are lower voltage and a bit
> heavier. Most of this is due to the Al case vs the poly bags used with other
> chemistries. LiFe are also chemically more stable and durable with the ability
> to be discharged at 30C and charged at 5C. They have a very flat discharge curve
> and can be drawn completely flat with no damage to the cells for more than 300
> cycles.
>
> http://www.a123racing.com
>
>
> http://www.flyinggiants.com/forums/fg28/17411-a123-batteries-dummies.html
>
>
>
> Still in their infancy and need more capacity and less weight. Requires a lot
> of DIY but great to have more options on the horizon. Learned lot about these on
> RCgroups and Flying Giants but they still need some more development. Currently
> they are primarily being used in Dewalt and B&D cordless tools and the big hope
> for the E autos of the future.
>
> Anthony
>
>
> From: wgalligan at att.net
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:05:27 -0400
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Mn Batteries
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Anthony,
>
> What's the diff between Mn and Fe type
> cells?
>
> Wayne
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> Anthony
> Romano
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:46
> AM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Mn
> Batteries
>
>
> Just to clarify those cells are A123 Li Fe not
> Li Mn.
>
>
>
>
>
> > From: wgalligan at att.net
> >
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >
> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:34:29 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
> Li-Mn Batteries
> >
> > Joe,
> >
> > Check Bob Pastorello's
> web page. www.rcaerobats.net He has
> done some
> > extensive testing on these and is having good success with
> them running one
> > pack for receiver and ignition on his gassers. He is
> running the Spectrum
> > radio so there has not been much of an issue
> with interference. He is
> > running a 2 cell 2300 mil pack on the 50cc
> gas stuff. Like Matt said,
> > sounds like great stuff and no fire issues
> with these batts. They are
> > slightly heavier then LiPo's but still
> lighter then NiMh. Bob also claims a
> > very flat discharge rate at
> about 6.5 v therefore he is not even using a
> > regulator.
> > They
> can be quick charged in about 30 min or less with no issues of igniting
>
> > like LiPo's or Li-Ion. I am considering switching over to these when
> my
> > NiMh give out. You can buy the cells at Homie Depot in 2cell packs
> or
> > disassemble the larger packs used in drills and make useable packs
> out of
> > them. Visit the different links Bob has posted for more info.
> Good stuff.
> >
> > Wayne Galligan
> >
> >
> > -----
> Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe Dunnaway"
>
> > To: "NSRCA"
>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 22,
> 2008 6:40 PM
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Mn Batteries
> >
>
> >
> > > I'm thinking about changing from NiMh batteries to
> Li-poly for my
> > > receiver packs. I've found some references to
> Li-Mn batteries. Have
> > > any of you guys had any experience with
> these? It looks like you don't
> > > have to worry about the battery
> pack catching fire or exploding.
> > >
> > >
> http://www.pfmdistribution.com/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Joe Dunnaway
> > >
> > >
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> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 07:58:41 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Bob Richards
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Looking for a Dave Scully in Ohio
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> Interesting. I was just at the field yesterday and bumped into Johnny Clark, at
> top-notch FAI flier in this area (North Carolina) back in the 80s and early 90s.
> He had a Summit III in flying shape, that he had built back around 1990. He also
> had a 1960s vintage Phil Kraft design with him, that looked brand new.
>
> Bob R.
>
>
> "Karl G. Mueller" wrote:
> Verne,
>
> I think I got the last two Summit III kits that Scully produced at the time.
> One of these went to Bob Kane after I flew it for a few years and he passed
> it on to some one else. Don't know if it is still flying today, but mine is.
> I get it out every spring to see if the fingers are still working before I
> go back to the 2 m versions.
>
> Karl G. Mueller
> kgamueller at rogers.com
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> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:08:15 -0400
> From: Anthony Romano
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Eclipse wing attachment
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> Pretty standard arrangement actually. Not a lot of load on that 4-40 bolt, the
> most important thing is that it stays in place. Over time the thread in the thin
> wing tube will wear but you can just rotate the tube and re-drill. Most usually
> glue a small block of wood or piece of PVC inside the tube to hold threads or
> catch a blind nut.
> If it makes you feel better you could add a bolt through that leading edge hole.
> Just make sure it stays in. Had a nylon 1/4-20 back out of one plane and the end
> result was very messy.
> I prefer the bolts in the tube type of set up to avoid having to take the
> canopy off every time I assemble/disassemble the airplane.
>
> Anthony
>
>
>
> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 09:39:10 -0500
> From: wilsorc at gmail.com
> To: NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Eclipse wing attachment
>
> I just bought a used CA Models "Eclipse" with a YS 140, Hitori pipe etc.
> I have a question about the wing attachment.
> Each wing half slides onto the aluminum center tube and there is an incident
> adjustment peg on the fuse that the trailing edge of each wing fits over.
> The aluminum center tube is tapped for a 4-40 bolt about 8 inches out from the
> fuse on both sides. Once the wing halfs are slid onto the tube, theses 4-40
> bolts are inserted through the top of the wing.
>
> That's it! Kind of a cheesey arrangement.
>
> There is a hole in the fuse at the leading edge of the wing and a corresponcding
> (plywood reinforced) hole in each wing half. However, there isn't any hardware
> associated with these attachment points. I think something is ovbviously
> missing and would appreciate it if anyone with "Eclipse" experience could help
> me out.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Bob Wilson
>
>
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