[NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA-discussion Digest, Vol 28, Issue 209

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> 1. Re: Looking for a Dave Scully in Ohio (Karl G. Mueller) 
> 2. Eclipse wing attachment (Bob Wilson) 
> 3. Re: Li-Mn Batteries (Anthony Romano) 
> 4. Re: Looking for a Dave Scully in Ohio (Bob Richards) 
> 5. Re: Eclipse wing attachment (Anthony Romano) 
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> Message: 1 
> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:34:00 -0500 
> From: "Karl G. Mueller" 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Looking for a Dave Scully in Ohio 
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> Verne, 
> 
> I think I got the last two Summit III kits that Scully produced at the time. 
> One of these went to Bob Kane after I flew it for a few years and he passed 
> it on to some one else. Don't know if it is still flying today, but mine is. 
> I get it out every spring to see if the fingers are still working before I 
> go back to the 2 m versions. 
> 
> Karl G. Mueller 
> kgamueller at rogers.com 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Verne Koester" 
> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" 
> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:26 PM 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Looking for a Dave Scully in Ohio 
> 
> 
> > Everytime I see Wayne Ullery, I ask about Dave. Dave and Pat moved to 
> > Bradenton, Florida after they sold Aero Composites and retired. That was 
> > probably ten years ago or so. Wayne Ullery is Qui Que's caller and partner 
> > for those that don't know him. I last saw Wayne in Argentina at the 
> World's 
> > and asked about Dave as usual. Wayne had been in touch with shortly before 
> > that. Wayne's probably your best bet to get in touch with Dave. Scully was 
> > truly a pioneer in composite construction. A lot of what we see and marvel 
> > at today was already happening at the "Scully skunkworks" twenty years 
> ago. 
> > Wayne Ullery was right in there as well. Scully got out of the pattern kit 
> > business years ago and did contract work for the military. Anyway, hope 
> this 
> > helps. 
> > 
> > Verne Koester 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Ron Van Putte" 
> > To: "NSRCA Mailing List" 
> > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 5:09 PM 
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Looking for a Dave Scully in Ohio 
> > 
> > 
> > > The last time I saw Dave Scully was back in Dayton, Ohio in the late 
> > > 1960s and 1970s. He was a member of the Western Ohio Radio Kontrol 
> > > Society (WORKS). 
> > > 
> > > Ron Van Putte 
> > > 
> > > On Mar 22, 2008, at 1:18 PM, Martin X. Moleski, SJ wrote: 
> > > 
> > >> I have a TOC history on my website: 
> > >> 
> > >> http://moleski.net/rc/toc.htm 
> > >> 
> > >> There is this note on it: 
> > >> 
> > >>> From Jon Britt, Grain Valley, MO (near Kansas City): 
> > >> 
> > >>> Mike McConville's commentary about the biplanes at the 1984 TOC is 
> > >>> correct. In 
> > >>> 1984, Dean Koger and I each flew a Skybolt designed by Dave Scully 
> > >>> (Dayton, 
> > >>> OH). Hanno Prettner's was disqualified. 
> > >> 
> > >> Mike Heneghan, USAF (Ret), knew a Dave Scully in Thailand 
> > >> in 1973. He and Dave were both in the RC club there. 
> > >> 
> > >> Anybody know Dave? Mike would like to say hi to him. 
> > >> 
> > >> Marty 
> > >> 
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> Message: 2 
> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 09:39:10 -0500 
> From: "Bob Wilson" 
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Eclipse wing attachment 
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> I just bought a used CA Models "Eclipse" with a YS 140, Hitori pipe etc. 
> I have a question about the wing attachment. 
> Each wing half slides onto the aluminum center tube and there is an incident 
> adjustment peg on the fuse that the trailing edge of each wing fits over. 
> The aluminum center tube is tapped for a 4-40 bolt about 8 inches out from 
> the fuse on both sides. Once the wing halfs are slid onto the tube, theses 
> 4-40 bolts are inserted through the top of the wing. 
> 
> That's it! Kind of a cheesey arrangement. 
> 
> There is a hole in the fuse at the leading edge of the wing and a 
> corresponcding (plywood reinforced) hole in each wing half. However, there 
> isn't any hardware associated with these attachment points. I think 
> something is ovbviously missing and would appreciate it if anyone with 
> "Eclipse" experience could help me out. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Bob Wilson 
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> Bob
I have built and flown several of these.  Don't use the 4-40 bolt thru the top of the wing.  What is missing in the front of the wing is a 1/4 x 20 bolt that is mounted into the wing half and the nut is threaded on thru the canopy opening for installing and removing the wing..  FYI

Mike Wingo
NSRCA 54
> Message: 3 
> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:56:32 -0400 
> From: Anthony Romano 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Mn Batteries 
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> Hi Wayne, 
> Never touched a LiMn cell but have about 70 flights on some A123's in a 
> Vanquish. LiFe are much more durable than Lipo but are lower voltage and a bit 
> heavier. Most of this is due to the Al case vs the poly bags used with other 
> chemistries. LiFe are also chemically more stable and durable with the ability 
> to be discharged at 30C and charged at 5C. They have a very flat discharge curve 
> and can be drawn completely flat with no damage to the cells for more than 300 
> cycles. 
> 
> http://www.a123racing.com 
> 
> 
> http://www.flyinggiants.com/forums/fg28/17411-a123-batteries-dummies.html 
> 
> 
> 
> Still in their infancy and need more capacity and less weight. Requires a lot 
> of DIY but great to have more options on the horizon. Learned lot about these on 
> RCgroups and Flying Giants but they still need some more development. Currently 
> they are primarily being used in Dewalt and B&D cordless tools and the big hope 
> for the E autos of the future. 
> 
> Anthony 
> 
> 
> From: wgalligan at att.net 
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:05:27 -0400 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Mn Batteries 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Anthony, 
> 
> What's the diff between Mn and Fe type 
> cells? 
> 
> Wayne 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: 
> Anthony 
> Romano 
> To: NSRCA Mailing List 
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:46 
> AM 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Mn 
> Batteries 
> 
> 
> Just to clarify those cells are A123 Li Fe not 
> Li Mn. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: wgalligan at att.net 
> > 
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
> > 
> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:34:29 -0500 
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 
> Li-Mn Batteries 
> > 
> > Joe, 
> > 
> > Check Bob Pastorello's 
> web page. www.rcaerobats.net He has 
> done some 
> > extensive testing on these and is having good success with 
> them running one 
> > pack for receiver and ignition on his gassers. He is 
> running the Spectrum 
> > radio so there has not been much of an issue 
> with interference. He is 
> > running a 2 cell 2300 mil pack on the 50cc 
> gas stuff. Like Matt said, 
> > sounds like great stuff and no fire issues 
> with these batts. They are 
> > slightly heavier then LiPo's but still 
> lighter then NiMh. Bob also claims a 
> > very flat discharge rate at 
> about 6.5 v therefore he is not even using a 
> > regulator. 
> > They 
> can be quick charged in about 30 min or less with no issues of igniting 
> 
> > like LiPo's or Li-Ion. I am considering switching over to these when 
> my 
> > NiMh give out. You can buy the cells at Homie Depot in 2cell packs 
> or 
> > disassemble the larger packs used in drills and make useable packs 
> out of 
> > them. Visit the different links Bob has posted for more info. 
> Good stuff. 
> > 
> > Wayne Galligan 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- 
> Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Joe Dunnaway" 
> 
> > To: "NSRCA" 
> 
> > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 
> 2008 6:40 PM 
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Mn Batteries 
> > 
> 
> > 
> > > I'm thinking about changing from NiMh batteries to 
> Li-poly for my 
> > > receiver packs. I've found some references to 
> Li-Mn batteries. Have 
> > > any of you guys had any experience with 
> these? It looks like you don't 
> > > have to worry about the battery 
> pack catching fire or exploding. 
> > > 
> > > 
> http://www.pfmdistribution.com/ 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > Joe Dunnaway 
> > > 
> > > 
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> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 07:58:41 -0700 (PDT) 
> From: Bob Richards 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Looking for a Dave Scully in Ohio 
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> Interesting. I was just at the field yesterday and bumped into Johnny Clark, at 
> top-notch FAI flier in this area (North Carolina) back in the 80s and early 90s. 
> He had a Summit III in flying shape, that he had built back around 1990. He also 
> had a 1960s vintage Phil Kraft design with him, that looked brand new. 
> 
> Bob R. 
> 
> 
> "Karl G. Mueller" wrote: 
> Verne, 
> 
> I think I got the last two Summit III kits that Scully produced at the time. 
> One of these went to Bob Kane after I flew it for a few years and he passed 
> it on to some one else. Don't know if it is still flying today, but mine is. 
> I get it out every spring to see if the fingers are still working before I 
> go back to the 2 m versions. 
> 
> Karl G. Mueller 
> kgamueller at rogers.com 
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> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:08:15 -0400 
> From: Anthony Romano 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Eclipse wing attachment 
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> Pretty standard arrangement actually. Not a lot of load on that 4-40 bolt, the 
> most important thing is that it stays in place. Over time the thread in the thin 
> wing tube will wear but you can just rotate the tube and re-drill. Most usually 
> glue a small block of wood or piece of PVC inside the tube to hold threads or 
> catch a blind nut. 
> If it makes you feel better you could add a bolt through that leading edge hole. 
> Just make sure it stays in. Had a nylon 1/4-20 back out of one plane and the end 
> result was very messy. 
> I prefer the bolts in the tube type of set up to avoid having to take the 
> canopy off every time I assemble/disassemble the airplane. 
> 
> Anthony 
> 
> 
> 
> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 09:39:10 -0500 
> From: wilsorc at gmail.com 
> To: NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Eclipse wing attachment 
> 
> I just bought a used CA Models "Eclipse" with a YS 140, Hitori pipe etc. 
> I have a question about the wing attachment. 
> Each wing half slides onto the aluminum center tube and there is an incident 
> adjustment peg on the fuse that the trailing edge of each wing fits over. 
> The aluminum center tube is tapped for a 4-40 bolt about 8 inches out from the 
> fuse on both sides. Once the wing halfs are slid onto the tube, theses 4-40 
> bolts are inserted through the top of the wing. 
> 
> That's it! Kind of a cheesey arrangement. 
> 
> There is a hole in the fuse at the leading edge of the wing and a corresponcding 
> (plywood reinforced) hole in each wing half. However, there isn't any hardware 
> associated with these attachment points. I think something is ovbviously 
> missing and would appreciate it if anyone with "Eclipse" experience could help 
> me out. 
> 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Bob Wilson 
> 
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