[NSRCA-discussion] Judging by committee?

[Mike Hester]

Ryan should have the disc with the scores by Monday at the latest. I'd be interested to hear about the findings as well. 

After some initial looking and experimenting myself, it looks like this: 

You definitely need more judges for this to work. if you have only 3 judges in the chair, and one consistently scores lower across the board than the others, when he gets up to fly, you lose the lowest judge...and that makes that person's scores even higher in comparison. This is definitely a case for knowing your downgrades!

Keep in mind this has nothing to do with bias, that is a different subject entirely and everyone can plainly see how that could effect things if a judge was less than fair. The low judge may simply be more experienced and catches more downgrades for instance.

The wierd thing about this system is that no matter what, every pilot will have a different set of judges than everyone else...because he can't judge himself. If you throw out the high and low, you minimoze the effect. So I can certainly see where and how it COULD work!

But is it practical? Not sure.

What exactly happened at Tangerine? Not certain. I watched as much as I could. I know that at least for the first 3 rounds, the points spread was larger than it has been in a very long time down here. Whether that is a function of a new pattern or this particular system is anybody's guess.

Bottom line I guess, from what I saw I would caution against doing it this way in a small class. In my opinion you need at least 6 contestants so you have 5 sets of scores, throw out the high and low and have 3 to average. That could certainly work in the right circumstances. or have at least 2 masters or whatever judges just to keep consistency between contestants.

-Mike

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: JShulman 
  To: NSRCA Mailing List 
  Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging by committee?


  As it turns out, we, Ryan, David and I, agreed that Tangerine wasn't the best turnout for this type of judging to be used. We couldn't drop high and low for the whole contest. One thing I am disappointed in not doing was having a couple of Masters pilots behind us judging as well to compare scores to afterwards. When we get the scores, we can test the high/low dropping on the P's and see if it changes anything. Having done this with a previous contests results, scores don't change all that much, and placements even less. But it's something we want to look into. 

   

  Thinking about the way this would work, 4 judges would be needed, 5 contestants, not 6. This will give us a high and low drop. Obviously the more judges, you could have more drops, in even increments. Ryan and I have gone back and forth about this, and trust me, he does NOT say things to appease me (neither does Joe). That's what has kept our friendship going strong for as long as it's been.

   

  I know the system works; it’s proven to do so before. What I don’t know is what it’ll take to get it to work at the local level, if at all. If it doesn’t work, so be it. It was another way to try to get judging results that everyone would be satisfied with. I’m not saying this is the best way, but it’s another way. Lets not forget the #1 rule in pattern.......to have FUN!

  Regards,
  Jason
  www.jasonshulman.com
  www.shulmanaviation.com
  www.composite-arf.com 



      Finally got a chance to read the current K-factor and saw a note on the Tangerine contest. The article mentioned FAI was judged by a commity of the FAI pilots. Could someone please provide details. Do you think you could keep your objectivity? For those that were there how did it work out? Sound interesting because you would finally be judged by pilots who know the FAI rules and the sequence.
       Could this be a solution for the oversized Masters class? Obvious drawbacks too, but trying to inspire some thought.
       
      Anthony
       
       
       


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