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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ryan should have the disc with the scores by Monday
at the latest. I'd be interested to hear about the findings as well.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>After some initial looking and experimenting
myself, it looks like this: </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You definitely need more judges for this to work.
if you have only 3 judges in the chair, and one consistently scores lower across
the board than the others, when he gets up to fly, you lose the lowest
judge...and that makes that person's scores even higher in comparison. This is
definitely a case for knowing your downgrades!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Keep in mind this has nothing to do with bias, that
is a different subject entirely and everyone can plainly see how that could
effect things if a judge was less than fair. The low judge may simply be more
experienced and catches more downgrades for instance.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The wierd thing about this system is that no matter
what, every pilot will have a different set of judges than everyone
else...because he can't judge himself. If you throw out the high and low, you
minimoze the effect. So I can certainly see where and how it COULD
work!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But is it practical? Not sure.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What exactly happened at Tangerine? Not certain. I
watched as much as I could. I know that at least for the first 3 rounds, the
points spread was larger than it has been in a very long time down here. Whether
that is a function of a new pattern or this particular system is anybody's
guess.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bottom line I guess, from what I saw I would
caution against doing it this way in a small class. In my opinion you need at
least 6 contestants so you have 5 sets of scores, throw out the high and low and
have 3 to average. That could certainly work in the right circumstances. or have
at least 2 masters or whatever judges just to keep consistency between
contestants.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Mike</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:58
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging
by committee?</DIV>
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style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">As it turns out, we, Ryan, David and
I, agreed that Tangerine wasn't the best turnout for this type of judging to
be used. We couldn't drop high and low for the whole contest. One thing I<SPAN
class=500150501-01022008> a</SPAN>m disappointed in not doing was having a
couple of Masters pilots behind us judging as well to compare scores to
afterwards. When we get the scores, we can test the high/low dropping on the
P's and see if it changes anything. Having done this <SPAN
class=500150501-01022008>with</SPAN> a previous contest<SPAN
class=500150501-01022008>s results</SPAN>, scores don't change all th<SPAN
class=500150501-01022008>at</SPAN> much, and placements even less. But it's
something we want to look into. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thinking about the way this would
work, 4 judges would be needed, 5 contestants, not 6. This will give us a high
and low drop. Obviously the more judges, you could have more drops, in even
increments. Ryan and I have gone back and forth about this, and trust me, he
does NOT say things to appease me (neither does Joe). That's what has kept our
friendship going strong for as long as it's been.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><SPAN
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know the system works; it’s proven to do so before. What I don’t know is what
it’ll take to get it to work at the local level, if at all. If it doesn’t
work, so be it. It was another way to try to get judging results that everyone
would be satisfied with. I’m not saying this is the best way, but it’s another
way. Lets not forget the #1 rule in pattern.......to have
FUN!</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT
size=2>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR>www.jasonshulman.com<BR>www.shulmanaviation.com<BR>www.composite-arf.com</FONT>
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Finally got a
chance to read the current K-factor and saw a note on the Tangerine
contest. The article mentioned FAI was judged by a commity of the FAI
pilots. Could someone please provide details. Do you think you could
keep your objectivity? For those that were there how did it work out?
Sound interesting because you would finally be judged by pilots who know
the FAI rules and the sequence.<BR> Could this be a solution for
the oversized Masters class? Obvious drawbacks too, but trying to inspire
some
thought.<BR> <BR>Anthony<BR> <BR> <BR> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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