[NSRCA-discussion] Judging by committee?

Thu Jan 31 16:56:37 AKST 2008

Ken & All,

 Please forgive my mistake of sending that back to the list..

 I would not Flame anyone publicly using this list.. That was meant to be a
PRIVATE RESPONSE to a ongoing discussion.  I made a mistake by clicking the
wrong box.   I would ask all involved to forgive my embarrassing public
response.. It was meant to be a private response.. 

 For that I apologize. 

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ken Thompson
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:35 PM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging by committee?

I'm sorry Jason, 

But my comments have little to do with my respect for you, which I obviously
have, it's more that I have a much different opinion with respect with the
comments by Cameron Smith.
Cameron...your reputation precedes you...if you would like to take this off
line, I'd be happy to do so.  You are opinionated, that's no problem, I am
also, but to call someone out in our forum, that's not right...So to quote
you...I'm here to say things honestly!!!
Let's both say what's on our mind...to quote you..."nice to see someone with
a set"  I have mine, how 'bout you?

Ken Thompson

----- Original Message ----- 
From: JShulman <mailto:jshulman at cfl.rr.com>  
To: NSRCA Mailing List <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging by committee?

Hey guys, I don't mind Cameron's comments. I haven't exactly had much sleep
today, or I should say this morning, so I might have come off a bit
different than usual. I accept his opinion as being his, and welcome his
comments on how to help to improve judging. Not just for FAI, but for all of
pattern.

Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Ken Thompson
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:06 PM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judgeing by commitee?

This has got to me a freakin' joke...I haven't been posting much, but things
like this will make me come back to life!!!

I don't believe the majority would want me to get back on the band wagon
with my opinions...this kind of post is pushing me in that direction...

Ken Thompson
NSRCA 3646
AMA 685343

----- Original Message ----- 
From: C.  <mailto:dentdoc007 at comcast.net> Smith 
To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judgeing by commitee?

Jim,

 I just got home, Sat down to eat my dinner & read the emails...  

 When you read this to me this afternoon it did not make the impression it
did when I read it.....

  I am not trying to blow smoke up your skirt please believe me...

 It is refreshing to see someone say things honestly & in such a way.... Too
few say what needs to be said.....

 Jason's response  came across as self serving damage control..  I do not
think he comes across as a sincere person.  As a matter of fact he seems
very insecure......

 He came back at you by saying 3 of the 4 believe it WILL work.. But I could
have sworn you showed me emails from Ryan disagreeing with the practice.....
I would bet you Joe & Ryan in public would agree with Jason just to
associate them selves with him.. I call this by many names....Weak,
Intellectually Dishonest & self serving..   

 Oh well I just want you to know Good job--   Nice to see someone with a
set.

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Woodward, Jim
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 2:47 PM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judgeing by commitee?

Hey Anthony,

**** Attempting a 50 words or less approach without too much regard for
political correctness *****

I don't think peer judging works.  I don't think it sends the right message
about problem solving or achieving a more accurate score per maneuver for
each pilot.   Psychology 101 would predict that it does not foster the right
mindset or circumstances for a competitive environment (Reality TV shows
like Survivor are based on one form or another of peer judging).  

The #1 component that must be correct for it to work is that all
pilot/judges see and subtract about the exact same number of points per
maneuver see the same downgrades.  The situation doesn't compute if one
judge is off from the others or uses impression judging.  A bunch of stuff
should probably be in place for this to work like:  large number of judges,
drop high score, drop low score, etc.  The highest caliber of honor,
integrity, and judge-education is required by all competitors to make this
work.  

I witnessed this as a Masters pilot watching the FAI contest.  I watched the
flying and this scenario VERY close. My opinion is that I would chose not to
compete in FAI in a peer judging scenario.  

Thanks,

Jim W.

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.f3a.us] On Behalf Of Anthony Romano
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 1:44 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.f3a.us
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Judgeing by commitee?

Finally got a chance to read the current K-factor and saw a note on the
Tangerine contest. The article mentioned FAI was judged by a commity of the
FAI pilots. Could someone please provide details. Do you think you could
keep your objectivity? For those that were there how did it work out? Sound
interesting because you would finally be judged by pilots who know the FAI
rules and the sequence.
 Could this be a solution for the oversized Masters class? Obvious drawbacks
too, but trying to inspire some thought.

Anthony

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