[NSRCA-discussion] Judging by committee?

[Ken Thompson]

I'm sorry Jason, 

But my comments have little to do with my respect for you, which I obviously have, it's more that I have a much different opinion with respect with the comments by Cameron Smith.
Cameron...your reputation precedes you...if you would like to take this off line, I'd be happy to do so.  You are opinionated, that's no problem, I am also, but to call someone out in our forum, that's not right...So to quote you...I'm here to say things honestly!!!
Let's both say what's on our mind...to quote you..."nice to see someone with a set"  I have mine, how 'bout you?

Ken Thompson
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: JShulman 
  To: NSRCA Mailing List 
  Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 7:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging by committee?


  Hey guys, I don't mind Cameron's comments. I haven't exactly had much sleep today, or I should say this morning, so I might have come off a bit different than usual. I accept his opinion as being his, and welcome his comments on how to help to improve judging. Not just for FAI, but for all of pattern.

  Regards,
  Jason
  www.jasonshulman.com
  www.shulmanaviation.com
  www.composite-arf.com 

    -----Original Message-----
    From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Ken Thompson
    Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:06 PM
    To: NSRCA Mailing List
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judgeing by commitee?


    This has got to me a freakin' joke...I haven't been posting much, but things like this will make me come back to life!!!

    I don't believe the majority would want me to get back on the band wagon with my opinions...this kind of post is pushing me in that direction...

    Ken Thompson
    NSRCA 3646
    AMA 685343
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: C. Smith 
      To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' 
      Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 6:48 PM
      Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judgeing by commitee?


      Jim,

       I just got home, Sat down to eat my dinner & read the emails...  

       When you read this to me this afternoon it did not make the impression it did when I read it.....

        I am not trying to blow smoke up your skirt please believe me...

       It is refreshing to see someone say things honestly & in such a way.... Too few say what needs to be said.....



       Jason's response  came across as self serving damage control..  I do not think he comes across as a sincere person.  As a matter of fact he seems very insecure......

       He came back at you by saying 3 of the 4 believe it WILL work.. But I could have sworn you showed me emails from Ryan disagreeing with the practice..... I would bet you Joe & Ryan in public would agree with Jason just to associate them selves with him.. I call this by many names....Weak, Intellectually Dishonest & self serving..   

       Oh well I just want you to know Good job--   Nice to see someone with a set.






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      From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Woodward, Jim
      Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 2:47 PM
      To: NSRCA Mailing List
      Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judgeing by commitee?


      Hey Anthony,


      **** Attempting a 50 words or less approach without too much regard for political correctness *****


      I don't think peer judging works.  I don't think it sends the right message about problem solving or achieving a more accurate score per maneuver for each pilot.   Psychology 101 would predict that it does not foster the right mindset or circumstances for a competitive environment (Reality TV shows like Survivor are based on one form or another of peer judging).  


      The #1 component that must be correct for it to work is that all pilot/judges see and subtract about the exact same number of points per maneuver see the same downgrades.  The situation doesn't compute if one judge is off from the others or uses impression judging.  A bunch of stuff should probably be in place for this to work like:  large number of judges, drop high score, drop low score, etc.  The highest caliber of honor, integrity, and judge-education is required by all competitors to make this work.  


      I witnessed this as a Masters pilot watching the FAI contest.  I watched the flying and this scenario VERY close. My opinion is that I would chose not to compete in FAI in a peer judging scenario.  


      Thanks,

      Jim W.



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      From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.f3a.us [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.f3a.us] On Behalf Of Anthony Romano
      Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 1:44 PM
      To: nsrca-discussion at lists.f3a.us
      Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Judgeing by commitee?


      Finally got a chance to read the current K-factor and saw a note on the Tangerine contest. The article mentioned FAI was judged by a commity of the FAI pilots. Could someone please provide details. Do you think you could keep your objectivity? For those that were there how did it work out? Sound interesting because you would finally be judged by pilots who know the FAI rules and the sequence.
       Could this be a solution for the oversized Masters class? Obvious drawbacks too, but trying to inspire some thought.
       
      Anthony
       
       
       


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