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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=761264301-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Ken & All,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=761264301-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2> Please forgive my mistake of sending that back to the
list..</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=761264301-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2> I would not Flame anyone publicly using this list..
That was meant to be a PRIVATE RESPONSE to a ongoing discussion. I made a
mistake by clicking the wrong box. I would ask all involved to
forgive my embarrassing public response.. It was meant to be a private
response.. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=761264301-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2> For that I apologize. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Ken
Thompson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:35 PM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA
Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging by
committee?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm sorry Jason, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But my comments have little to do with my respect
for you, which I obviously have, it's more that I have a much different opinion
with respect with the comments by Cameron Smith.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cameron...your reputation precedes you...if you
would like to take this off line, I'd be happy to do so. You are
opinionated, that's no problem, I am also, but to call someone out in our forum,
that's not right...So to quote you...I'm here to say things
honestly!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Let's both say what's on our mind...to quote
you..."nice to see someone with a set" I have mine, how 'bout
you?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ken Thompson</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jshulman@cfl.rr.com href="mailto:jshulman@cfl.rr.com">JShulman</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 31, 2008 7:12
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging
by committee?</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=800131001-01022008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>Hey guys, I
don't mind Cameron's comments. I haven't exactly had much sleep today, or I
should say this morning, so I might have come off a bit different than usual.
I accept his opinion as being his, and welcome his comments on how to help to
improve judging. Not just for FAI, but for all of pattern.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR><A
href="http://www.jasonshulman.com">www.jasonshulman.com</A><BR><A
href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com">www.shulmanaviation.com</A><BR>www.composite-arf.com</FONT>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Ken
Thompson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:06 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judgeing by
commitee?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This has got to me a freakin' joke...I haven't
been posting much, but things like this will make me come back to
life!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't believe the majority would want me
to get back on the band wagon with my opinions...this kind of post is
pushing me in that direction...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ken Thompson</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>NSRCA 3646</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>AMA 685343</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=dentdoc007@comcast.net href="mailto:dentdoc007@comcast.net">C.
Smith</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 31, 2008 6:48
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Judgeing by commitee?</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Jim,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2> I just got home, Sat down to eat my dinner
& read the emails... </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2> When you read this to me this afternoon it did
not make the impression it did when I read it.....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2> I am not trying to blow smoke up your skirt
please believe me...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2> It is refreshing to see someone say things
honestly & in such a way.... Too few say what needs to be
said.....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2> Jason's response came across as self
serving damage control.. I do not think he comes across as a sincere
person. As a matter of fact he seems very
insecure......</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2> He came back at you by saying 3 of the 4
believe it WILL work.. But I could have sworn you showed me emails from
Ryan disagreeing with the practice..... I would bet you Joe & Ryan in
public would agree with Jason just to associate them selves with him.. I
call this by many names....Weak, Intellectually Dishonest & self
serving.. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2> Oh well I just want you to know Good
job-- Nice to see someone with a set.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Woodward, Jim<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 31, 2008 2:47
PM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Judgeing by commitee?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hey
Anthony,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">**** Attempting a
50 words or less approach without too much regard for political
correctness *****<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I don’t think
peer judging works. I don’t think it sends the right message about
problem solving or achieving a more accurate score per maneuver for each
pilot. Psychology 101 would predict that it does not foster
the right mindset or circumstances for a competitive environment (Reality
TV shows like Survivor are based on one form or another of peer
judging). <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The #1 component
that must be correct for it to work is that all pilot/judges see and
subtract about the exact same number of points per maneuver see the same
downgrades. The situation doesn’t compute if one judge is off from
the others or uses impression judging. A bunch of stuff should
probably be in place for this to work like: large number of judges,
drop high score, drop low score, etc. The highest caliber of honor,
integrity, and judge-education is required by all competitors to make this
work. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I witnessed this
as a Masters pilot watching the FAI contest. I watched the flying
and this scenario VERY close. My opinion is that I would chose not to
compete in FAI in a peer judging scenario.
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Anthony
Romano<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday,
January 31, 2008 1:44 PM<BR><B><SPAN
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Finally got a
chance to read the current K-factor and saw a note on the Tangerine
contest. The article mentioned FAI was judged by a commity of the FAI
pilots. Could someone please provide details. Do you think you could
keep your objectivity? For those that were there how did it work out?
Sound interesting because you would finally be judged by pilots who know
the FAI rules and the sequence.<BR> Could this be a solution for
the oversized Masters class? Obvious drawbacks too, but trying to inspire
some
thought.<BR> <BR>Anthony<BR> <BR> <BR> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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