[NSRCA-discussion] Judging by committee?

Thu Jan 31 16:10:50 AKST 2008

Hey guys, I don't mind Cameron's comments. I haven't exactly had much sleep
today, or I should say this morning, so I might have come off a bit
different than usual. I accept his opinion as being his, and welcome his
comments on how to help to improve judging. Not just for FAI, but for all of
pattern.

Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Ken Thompson
  Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:06 PM
  To: NSRCA Mailing List
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judgeing by commitee?

  This has got to me a freakin' joke...I haven't been posting much, but
things like this will make me come back to life!!!

  I don't believe the majority would want me to get back on the band wagon
with my opinions...this kind of post is pushing me in that direction...

  Ken Thompson
  NSRCA 3646
  AMA 685343
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: C. Smith
    To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'
    Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 6:48 PM
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judgeing by commitee?

    Jim,

     I just got home, Sat down to eat my dinner & read the emails...

     When you read this to me this afternoon it did not make the impression
it did when I read it.....

      I am not trying to blow smoke up your skirt please believe me...

     It is refreshing to see someone say things honestly & in such a way....
Too few say what needs to be said.....

     Jason's response  came across as self serving damage control..  I do
not think he comes across as a sincere person.  As a matter of fact he seems
very insecure......

     He came back at you by saying 3 of the 4 believe it WILL work.. But I
could have sworn you showed me emails from Ryan disagreeing with the
practice..... I would bet you Joe & Ryan in public would agree with Jason
just to associate them selves with him.. I call this by many names....Weak,
Intellectually Dishonest & self serving..

     Oh well I just want you to know Good job--   Nice to see someone with a
set.

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    From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Woodward, Jim
    Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 2:47 PM
    To: NSRCA Mailing List
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judgeing by commitee?

    Hey Anthony,

    **** Attempting a 50 words or less approach without too much regard for
political correctness *****

    I don’t think peer judging works.  I don’t think it sends the right
message about problem solving or achieving a more accurate score per
maneuver for each pilot.   Psychology 101 would predict that it does not
foster the right mindset or circumstances for a competitive environment
(Reality TV shows like Survivor are based on one form or another of peer
judging).

    The #1 component that must be correct for it to work is that all
pilot/judges see and subtract about the exact same number of points per
maneuver see the same downgrades.  The situation doesn’t compute if one
judge is off from the others or uses impression judging.  A bunch of stuff
should probably be in place for this to work like:  large number of judges,
drop high score, drop low score, etc.  The highest caliber of honor,
integrity, and judge-education is required by all competitors to make this
work.

    I witnessed this as a Masters pilot watching the FAI contest.  I watched
the flying and this scenario VERY close. My opinion is that I would chose
not to compete in FAI in a peer judging scenario.

    Thanks,

    Jim W.

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.f3a.us] On Behalf Of Anthony Romano
    Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 1:44 PM
    To: nsrca-discussion at lists.f3a.us
    Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Judgeing by commitee?

    Finally got a chance to read the current K-factor and saw a note on the
Tangerine contest. The article mentioned FAI was judged by a commity of the
FAI pilots. Could someone please provide details. Do you think you could
keep your objectivity? For those that were there how did it work out? Sound
interesting because you would finally be judged by pilots who know the FAI
rules and the sequence.
     Could this be a solution for the oversized Masters class? Obvious
drawbacks too, but trying to inspire some thought.

    Anthony

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