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<DIV><SPAN class=800131001-01022008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>Hey guys, I
don't mind Cameron's comments. I haven't exactly had much sleep today, or I
should say this morning, so I might have come off a bit different than usual. I
accept his opinion as being his, and welcome his comments on how to help to
improve judging. Not just for FAI, but for all of pattern.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT
size=2>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR>www.jasonshulman.com<BR>www.shulmanaviation.com<BR>www.composite-arf.com</FONT>
</P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Ken
Thompson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:06 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judgeing by
commitee?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This has got to me a freakin' joke...I haven't
been posting much, but things like this will make me come back to
life!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't believe the majority would want me
to get back on the band wagon with my opinions...this kind of post is pushing
me in that direction...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ken Thompson</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>NSRCA 3646</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>AMA 685343</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=dentdoc007@comcast.net href="mailto:dentdoc007@comcast.net">C.
Smith</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 31, 2008 6:48
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Judgeing by commitee?</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Jim,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2> I just got home, Sat down to eat my dinner &
read the emails... </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2> When you read this to me this afternoon it did
not make the impression it did when I read it.....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2> I am not trying to blow smoke up your skirt
please believe me...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2> It is refreshing to see someone say things
honestly & in such a way.... Too few say what needs to be
said.....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2> Jason's response came across as self
serving damage control.. I do not think he comes across as a sincere
person. As a matter of fact he seems very
insecure......</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2> He came back at you by saying 3 of the 4 believe
it WILL work.. But I could have sworn you showed me emails from Ryan
disagreeing with the practice..... I would bet you Joe & Ryan in public
would agree with Jason just to associate them selves with him.. I call this
by many names....Weak, Intellectually Dishonest & self
serving.. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=237253400-01022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2> Oh well I just want you to know Good
job-- Nice to see someone with a set.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Woodward, Jim<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 31, 2008 2:47
PM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Judgeing by commitee?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hey
Anthony,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">**** Attempting a
50 words or less approach without too much regard for political correctness
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I don’t think peer
judging works. I don’t think it sends the right message about problem
solving or achieving a more accurate score per maneuver for each pilot.
Psychology 101 would predict that it does not foster the right
mindset or circumstances for a competitive environment (Reality TV shows
like Survivor are based on one form or another of peer judging).
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The #1 component
that must be correct for it to work is that all pilot/judges see and
subtract about the exact same number of points per maneuver see the same
downgrades. The situation doesn’t compute if one judge is off from the
others or uses impression judging. A bunch of stuff should probably be
in place for this to work like: large number of judges, drop high
score, drop low score, etc. The highest caliber of honor, integrity,
and judge-education is required by all competitors to make this work.
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I witnessed this as
a Masters pilot watching the FAI contest. I watched the flying and
this scenario VERY close. My opinion is that I would chose not to compete in
FAI in a peer judging scenario. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.f3a.us] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Anthony Romano<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, January 31, 2008 1:44
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size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Finally got a
chance to read the current K-factor and saw a note on the Tangerine contest.
The article mentioned FAI was judged by a commity of the FAI pilots. Could
someone please provide details. Do you think you could keep your
objectivity? For those that were there how did it work out? Sound
interesting because you would finally be judged by pilots who know
the FAI rules and the sequence.<BR> Could this be a solution for
the oversized Masters class? Obvious drawbacks too, but trying to inspire
some
thought.<BR> <BR>Anthony<BR> <BR> <BR> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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