[NSRCA-discussion] Exper Class??

Tue Feb 5 04:53:18 AKST 2008

I think you're on to something here. As I recall the current rules state that points earned are retained for 4 years... change that to 2 and it might allow some of those people who used to feel like they would be "cheating" if they stayed in a class for too long to hang around. Granted, I know attendance at local contests in some districts (not D6) might make it almost impossible to earn 100 points over 2 seasons... but that's kind-of the point. This way the people who win every time out will point out quickly and move up (I think most people know when it's time to move up anyway) and those who struggle will have more time within the rules to stay in the class they feel more comfortable with. This is all academic anyway, because nobody really tracks points. I know I don't. I can't remember a time when I heard someone complain about having pointed out of their class and having to move up the next year, but change the point retention to 2 years and it could keep that situation from happening.

Matt
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  From: John Konneker 
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  Derek,
  I think there is a fine line there.  Losing pilots that have to move up due to the points system but don't want to or losing pilots that are getting tired of being beat by the same guy all the time made worse by the fact the guy doing the beating doesn't have to move up anymore after they point out.  The answer may be to keep the points system for the "fast movers" but reset or deduct points for pilots that have been in a class for some period of time, 3 years for example, but have not pointed out.  In other words they are accumulating points but not by placing high in large classes.  On the other hand I think you can stay too long in a class without pointing out.  If it was left to folks that could be trusted to do what was right all the time there would be no issue.  Unfortunately that's not always perceived to be the case.
  JLK

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    Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 10:47:11 -0800
    From: derekkoopowitz at gmail.com
    To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Exper Class??

    There is a discussion going on the District 7 list at the moment about not forcing people to move up a class (using points).  Case in point is a pilot that was forced out of Intermediate into Advanced and has crashed 2 Angels Shadows due to "pilot error" (he admits it).  He is 67 years old and his skill levels just don't warrant him being in Advanced.

    Eric Henderson's last article in Model Aviation about the points system in the NSRCA just proves this issue - I'm in full agreement with Eric on this and would like to see the points system scrapped.  We definitely need to cater to the pattern pilot that is very uncomfortable flying a new class (they've pointed out of their current class) and would like to stay put until they feel more comfortable.  This can also happen if a new sequence is developed for their class and the pilot is uncomfortable flying it as well in a contest.  Shouldn't we allow them to move back a class until they feel comfortable with the new sequence (as Chris and Mike suggested)?

    I would hate to lose a pilot to pattern (and a long time supporter of pattern) because the system forced them to do something that they just aren't comfortable with doing.

    On Feb 4, 2008 10:33 AM, chris moon <cjm767driver at hotmail.com> wrote:

      I think Mike hit the nail. The real problem is that there are too many 
      guys that advance then hit a wall or drop out briefly without an easy 
      way to move back. Adding another class is just bad. WIth the average 
      attendance at a contest probably around 20, probably less, if we add 
      another class to make 6, then that means essentially 3 people per 
      class. Not really a competitive atmosphere. My vote would be to allow 
      a system for guys to move BACK more easily, only for those who have 
      moved up voluntarily and did not point out in their last class or have 
      failed to excel in their new class. The peter principle applies to 
      flying also.

      But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong

      Chris 

      mike mueller wrote:
      > I've flown both classes in the last 3 years. I don't think that this 
      > discussion is going to get the rules changed.There are way too many 
      > Masters guys who are content with the way things are. I would like to 
      > see the guys that are stuck at the bottom of their respective classes 
      > have an easier time going back a class. The main reason we have so 
      > many Masters flyers is we advanced guys thru the system before they 
      > were ready to compete due to a lack of competition. It's sad to see 
      > guys hit a brick wall and end up quiting the sport due to frustration.
      > I like the idea that I can fly Fai or Masters based on my own 
      > volition. In the midwest we always have large fields in Masters and 
      > it's pretty hard to beat the field.
      > Mike
      >

      > */"Woodward, Jim" /* wrote:

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