[NSRCA-discussion] F at locals/FAI's purpose?
JShulman
jshulman at cfl.rr.com
Fri Feb 1 17:38:49 AKST 2008
One thing I think everyone can agree on is we will never please everyone
flying pattern. I try not to put my nose in the business of the lower
classes because I don't fly them. Technically I could move back down to
Advanced (hmmm, maybe if we can't fly F anymore, I'll challenge myself this
way...lol), but I want to fly FAI. Last time I checked, FAI consists of 2
sequences, a P and an F. When I started pattern, my goal was to be an FAI
pilot. Once I started flying FAI, my goal then became to be the best FAI
pilot I could so I could make the US Team. Next goal is to become part of
the US Team Champions again and a World Champion. Others I know what to fly
FAI because of the challenge. Some of them have time to dedicate to the
goal, and others don't. The one's that don't, still fly it because of the
challenge, regardless of how they place. I just read the RCU thread about F
at local contests and am going to quote Chad cause I like the way he wrote
what he did (sorry Chad). "FAI is the pinnacle of pattern competition, most
who fly in that class do so because they want to achieve a very high level
of proficiency in their flying. You do that with challenging sequences, that
challenge the pilots to their limit. Those that do not want to commit that
amount of time and effort have other classes such as Masters which is a very
tough and competitive class, and gives nothing up to the FAI P schedule (IMO
of course)."
Would flying P and F really scare away pilots? or just scare them from
flying FAI? If pilots can't dedicate time to fly F, where are they getting
time to fly P/Masters? When FAI first introduced rolling circles and loops,
the option to move to Masters was well used. FAI is a 2 sequence class, P
and F, and now the Worlds results, Team and Individual, are based off of
BOTH P and F. Why shouldn't we do our part for FAI pilots to be the best
prepared for this challenge? How do we prepare for the Nats/TT by only
flying P? Should the Nats/TT be a P only contest so we can have more pilots
entered? I am very thankful that D3 started flying F at local contests. It
gave me more confidence when going to both the Nats and the Worlds (even
though Worlds scores don't show it).
I think I'm just a bit confused as to what the goal of/for FAI pilots are
now. And now I'm also confused as to if there is a rule that says we can NOT
fly F at a local contest (just reread Vince's post and he wasn't sure if
there was a rule or not).
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_7008625/tm.htm
Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Del Rykert
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F at locals?
Hi Dave
I'm not trying to imply that I have the correct answer to that question.
Not all people that advance through the AMA classes have the desire or deep
pockets to handle being competitive at the FAI level. Some Master fliers in
the past have told me the time commitment is high to be competitive in FAI
class. Higher than they can accept. That may be the biggest reason. Not
certain. But they do enjoy the difficulty and challenge of flying masters
and if told they had to move to FAI or if pointed out and made to move up to
FAI some would choose to leave. I see it as part of the dues some are
willing to commit to play. Some drop out after making it to intermediate.
Others after reaching advanced. Some have stayed and still fly those classes
but realize they don't have the time, desire, money, to move up and be
challenging or at least make a decent showing they can accept for
themselves. I believe the competitive factor varies with us all and what we
are willing to commit to fly pattern.
I'm even suspect their are other issues that escape us and why they are
happy to fly Masters.
Del
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From: Dave Burton
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Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F at locals?
Del, what’s the difference between ” FAI type” schedules and “Masters
schedules”? You are correct about previous proposals not being accepted. I
have submitted a rules change twice for Masters to fly the P schedule and it
was defeated both times. Won’t do that again, but I never understood the
opposition to it.
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Del Rykert
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 3:24 PM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F at locals?
So it would be acceptable to you to drive some away from pattern as it
has been clearly stated that some Master fliers by choice do not want to fly
FAI type schedules. It has been voted on with surveys and discussed on this
list in the past to not use that approach.
Del
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From: vicenterc at comcast.net
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Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F at locals?
I believe that FAI rules states that it is required more than 2 days
event to fly F schedule. I am sure that someone out there is going to be
able to find if I am correct or not. Of course, we can use the AMA rules
and the CD can override this if he announces the change with time.
I agree that in Masters we should fly the current P schedule. This
will make a natural transition when moving Masters to F3A. The rules should
be changed to make the F3A class the final destination of AMA classes. In
other worlds, Masters should not be the final destination as it is now.
--
Vicente "Vince" Bortone
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From: "Tony" <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
Those are the very reasons that I stopped flying FAI. The FAI rules
state that the F patterns are for Regional, National and International
events, and are not designed to be flown at a local contest.
Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA 31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Anthony
Romano
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 8:36 AM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] F at locals?
Another good point Jason. The more that the F is flown and judged
the better we all get at it. I can fly Masters or the P with equal
mediocrity but the F always just scared me off. Maybe one of my goals for
this year will be to learn it. Now if everyone promises no laughing I might
try it.
From comments I have hear a lot of guys just don't want to deal
with rollers.
Anthony
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