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<DIV><SPAN class=550570302-02022008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>One thing I
think everyone can agree on is we will never please everyone flying pattern. I
try not to put my nose in the business of the lower classes because I don't
fly them. Technically I could move back down to Advanced (hmmm, maybe if we
can't fly F anymore, I'll challenge myself this way...lol), but I want to fly
FAI. Last time I checked, FAI consists of 2 sequences, a P and an F. When I
started pattern, my goal was to be an FAI pilot. Once I started flying FAI, my
goal then became to be the best FAI pilot I could so I could make the US Team.
Next goal is to become part of the US Team Champions
again and a World Champion. Others I know what to fly FAI because
of the challenge. Some of them have time to dedicate to the goal, and others
don't. The one's that don't, still fly it because of the challenge, regardless
of how they place. I just read the RCU thread about F at local contests and am
going to quote Chad cause I like the way he wrote what he did (sorry Chad).
<FONT color=#000000>"FAI is the pinnacle of pattern competition, most who fly in
that class do so because they want to achieve a very high level of proficiency
in their flying. You do that with challenging sequences, that challenge the
pilots to their limit. Those that do not want to commit that amount of time and
effort have other classes such as Masters which is a very tough and competitive
class, and gives nothing up to the FAI P schedule (IMO of course)."
</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=550570302-02022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=550570302-02022008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>Would flying
P and F really scare away pilots? or just scare them from flying FAI? If
pilots can't dedicate time to fly F, where are they getting time to fly
P/Masters? When FAI first introduced rolling circles and loops, the option to
move to Masters was well used. FAI is a 2 sequence class, P and F, and now the
Worlds results, Team and Individual, are based off of
<U><STRONG>BOTH</STRONG></U> P and F. Why shouldn't we do our part for FAI
pilots to be the best prepared for this challenge? How do we prepare for the
Nats/TT by only flying P? Should the Nats/TT be a P only contest so we can have
more pilots entered? I am very thankful that D3 started flying F at local
contests. It gave me more confidence when going to both the Nats and the Worlds
(even though Worlds scores don't show it). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=550570302-02022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=550570302-02022008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>I think I'm
just a bit confused as to what the goal of/for FAI pilots are now. And now I'm
also confused as to if there is a rule that says we can NOT fly F at a local
contest (just reread Vince's post and he wasn't sure if there was a rule or
not).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=550570302-02022008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=550570302-02022008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><A
href="http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_7008625/tm.htm">http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_7008625/tm.htm</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT
size=2>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR>www.jasonshulman.com<BR>www.shulmanaviation.com<BR>www.composite-arf.com</FONT>
</P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Del
Rykert<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 01, 2008 7:09 PM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA
Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F at
locals?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi Dave</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I'm not trying to imply that I
have the correct answer to that question. Not all people that advance
through the AMA classes have the desire or deep pockets to handle being
competitive at the FAI level. Some Master fliers in the past have told me the
time commitment is high to be competitive in FAI class. Higher than they can
accept. That may be the biggest reason. Not certain. <FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3> </FONT>But they do enjoy the
difficulty and challenge of flying masters and if told they had to move to FAI
or if pointed out and made to move up to FAI some would choose to leave. I see
it as part of the dues some are willing to commit to play. Some drop out after
making it to intermediate. Others after reaching advanced. Some have stayed
and still fly those classes but realize they don't have the time, desire,
money, to move up and be challenging or at least make a decent showing they
can accept for themselves. I believe the competitive factor varies with us all
and what we are willing to commit to fly pattern. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I'm even suspect
their are other issues that escape us and why they are happy to fly
Masters. </FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> Del</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=burtona@atmc.net href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">Dave Burton</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.f3a.us
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.f3a.us">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 01, 2008 6:10
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F at
locals?</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Del,
what’s the difference between ” FAI type” schedules and “Masters schedules”?
You are correct about previous proposals not being accepted. I have
submitted a rules change twice for Masters to fly the P schedule and it was
defeated both times. Won’t do that again, but I never understood the
opposition to it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Del
Rykert<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 01, 2008 3:24 PM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA
Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F at
locals?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">So
it would be acceptable to you to drive some away from pattern as it has been
clearly stated that some Master fliers by choice do not want to fly FAI type
schedules. It has been voted on with surveys and discussed on this
list in the past to not use that approach. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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Del </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=vicenterc@comcast.net
href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.f3a.us
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.f3a.us">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Friday,
February 01, 2008 11:48 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] F at locals?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>I believe that FAI rules states that it is
required more than 2 days event to fly F schedule. I am sure
that someone out there is going to be able to find if I am correct or
not. Of course, we can use the AMA rules and the CD can
override this if he announces the change with
time. <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>I agree that in Masters we should fly the
current P schedule. This will make a natural transition when
moving Masters to F3A. The rules should be changed to make
the F3A class the final destination of AMA classes. In other
worlds, Masters should not be the final destination as it is
now.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>--<BR>Vicente "Vince" Bortone<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<BR>From: "Tony" <tony@radiosouthrc.com> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Those
are the very reasons that I stopped flying FAI. The FAI rules
state that the F patterns are for Regional, National and International
events, and are not designed to be flown at a local contest.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">Another good
point Jason. The more that the F is flown and judged the better we all
get at it. I can fly Masters or the P with equal mediocrity but the F
always just scared me off. Maybe one of my goals for this year will
be to learn it. Now if everyone promises no laughing I might try
it.<BR> From comments I have hear a lot of guys just don't want to
deal with
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