[NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

Mon Dec 15 14:49:08 AKST 2008

Michael Ramel, flying electric pattern since 2000, also designed the counter
rotating gearbox on Sebastiano Silvestrie's 07 WC's plane.

Regards,
Jason
www.jasonshulman.com
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of JShulman
  Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 6:27 PM
  To: General pattern discussion
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

  Here's my really poor attempt at it.

  A pilot from the Netherlands (never remember who) flew an electric in the
91 WC's. Von tried to get a USA Star to work on electric for those worlds as
well but lack of power doomed it. Michael Rammel (sp) has been flying
competitive electric in Germany for many years. I was the sucker to try it
again at the 93 WC's

  Regards,
  Jason
  www.jasonshulman.com
  www.shulmanaviation.com
  www.composite-arf.com

    -----Original Message-----
    From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Richard
Strickland
    Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 6:17 PM
    To: General pattern discussion
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

    I think you are correct on all counts... It was an interesting time.
Can you imagine anyone even suggesting electric then?!  So where does that
fit in and who really had the first competitive pattern airplane---and what
was it...?

    Richard

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    Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:51:12 -0500
    From: schale at optonline.net
    To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

    Tony F had the Fygleaf I believe.  Not sure of the reason for the name.
    Didn't Dave have the USA Star.  I Seem to remember that he had his own
carbon fiber props.  They were pretty wide.  He could make the FAI pattern
large or small enough to fit in a schoolyard and still look good.  I
remember him playing during practice making a very small pattern that still
looked good.  Strong wind too.

    Stuart C.

    Richard Strickland wrote:

      Regarding Dean's belt drive--we were all also trying to be quiet along
with figuring out 'turnaround' pattern.  He had this hand carved wide
EIGHTEEN inch prop(he called it a club, I think--HUGE in those days) on it.
Was the talk of the contest that year.  Von Linsowe showed up with some
huge, slow thing--can't remember its name--and around then, Frac had some
kind of larger, but nice flying bipe.  Lots of innovation just before the
switch to 2M...  and then I took a ten year sabbatical.....
      RS

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      Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:55:17 -0800
      From: mups1953 at yahoo.com
      To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
      Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

             Norm Page's Mach1.  They were ballistic for their time. The
wing was revoulutionary. Mike

            --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Woodward, Jim (US SSA)
<jim.woodward at baesystems.com> wrote:

              From: Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
              Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane
designs
              To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
              Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 3:08 PM

              What about the Japanese?  Was there a first Japanese plane
that started to shape designs?  I remember Jerry talking about Dean’s belt
drive plane one time.  That must have been revolutionary for sure.

              From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Richard
Strickland
              Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:01 PM
              To: cahochhalter at yahoo.com; NSRCA DISCUSSION
              Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane
designs

              Bridi's UFO was right in there--but I think the Curare was
just a little b/4..  Curare might have been the first with speed brakes...

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              Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:50:59 -0800
              From: cahochhalter at yahoo.com
              To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
              Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane
designs

                    Curare... was this the first anhedral stab?

                    --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
wrote:

                    From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
                    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern
plane designs
                    To: "'General pattern discussion'"
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
                    Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 8:39 PM

Also, Steve Helm's Bootlegger... 1st design with fully enclosed tuned
pipesystem..  Tony Stillman, PresidentRadio South, Inc.139 Altama Connector,
Box 322Brunswick, GA  315251-800-962-7802www.radiosouthrc.com  -----Original
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nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lis
ts.nsrca.org] On Behalf Ofadriancwong at earthlink.netSent: Monday, December
15, 2008 3:25 PMTo: General pattern discussionSubject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough
 Pattern plane designs  Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli  -----Original
Message----->From: billglaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>>Sent: Dec 15, 2008
3:02 PM>To: General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Breakthrough Pattern plane designs>  >Just before the Astro Hog, (designed
by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , and >one of which I am currently
building),there was Howard Bonner's SmogHog, >(note the name similarity)
which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas.  Good >flying airplane, for it's
time, (good enough to win) but couldn'tcompareto >the Astro Hog, of which
Fred always said:  "I don't know what thebig deal >is; it's just a low-wing
Smog
 Hog."  Maybe.  But, it surerevolutionizedthe >contest world, at the time.
If you wanted to win, you had one.  Period.>  >Bill Glaze>----- Original
Message ----- >From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>>To:
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41
PM>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs>  >
>> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.  Everythingup >>
until then had been a high wing airplane.>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first
really high performance pattern plane>> Taurus- arguably one of the most
built pattern planes of all times. Atone >> point, everyone had
 built a "modified" Taurus.  The TopFlight kit, >> excellent for its day,
helped to make it popular.>> The Phoenix 1-8 series.  Yeah, I know I'm
prejudiced, but itreally >> established moderately swept wings as a
standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7and  >> 8's were flown by most of the great US
flyers, including DaveBrown, Mike  >> McConville, and others. I'm not
including the Phoenix 9 and 10,because >> they were never kitted, and were
very early turn around styleairplanes. >> I have a 9, and my dad has the
only 10 ever built.>> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans"
patternplane, and >> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.>>
  >> Jon Lowe>>  >>  >> -----Original Message----->> From: Bob Kane
<getterflash at yahoo.com>>> To: General pattern
discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00
pm>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs>>
>>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >> Kaos>>  >>  >> Bob Kane>>
getterflash at yahoo.com>>  >>  >>  >>  >>
  >>  >> ------------------------------------------------------------>>
From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)"<jim.woodward at baesystems.com>>> To: General
pattern discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>> Sent: Monda>> y,
December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough
Pattern plane designs>>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>
>>  >> Hi Guys,>>  >>  >>
  >>  >>  >>  >> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or
pivotalpattern>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A
couple>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have
been>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of
a>> plane.>>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >> What do you guys think have been some
break-out designs over the>> years that have transformed pattern aircraft
design? In the last nine>> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most
transformational plane.>>  >>  >>
  >>  >>  >>  >> Thanks,>>  >>  >>  >> Jim W.>>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>  >>
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