[NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

Mon Dec 15 14:34:45 AKST 2008

Dave Von L. was flying an electric USA Star and almost took it to the WC one
year. Made a last minute decision not to as I remember him saying.

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I think you are correct on all counts... It was an interesting time.  Can
you imagine anyone even suggesting electric then?!  So where does that fit
in and who really had the first competitive pattern airplane---and what was
it...?

Richard

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:51:12 -0500
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Tony F had the Fygleaf I believe.  Not sure of the reason for the name.
Didn't Dave have the USA Star.  I Seem to remember that he had his own
carbon fiber props.  They were pretty wide.  He could make the FAI pattern
large or small enough to fit in a schoolyard and still look good.  I
remember him playing during practice making a very small pattern that still
looked good.  Strong wind too.

Stuart C.

Richard Strickland wrote: 

Regarding Dean's belt drive--we were all also trying to be quiet along with
figuring out 'turnaround' pattern.  He had this hand carved wide EIGHTEEN
inch prop(he called it a club, I think--HUGE in those days) on it.  Was the
talk of the contest that year.  Von Linsowe showed up with some huge, slow
thing--can't remember its name--and around then, Frac had some kind of
larger, but nice flying bipe.  Lots of innovation just before the switch to
2M...  and then I took a ten year sabbatical.....
RS

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:55:17 -0800
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 Norm Page's Mach1.  They were ballistic for their time. The wing was
revoulutionary. Mike

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Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 3:08 PM

What about the Japanese?  Was there a first Japanese plane that started to
shape designs?  I remember Jerry talking about Dean's belt drive plane one
time.  That must have been revolutionary for sure.  

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Bridi's UFO was right in there--but I think the Curare was just a little
b/4..  Curare might have been the first with speed brakes... 

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:50:59 -0800
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Curare... was this the first anhedral stab?  

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Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 8:39 PM 

Also, Steve Helm's Bootlegger... 1st design with fully enclosed tuned pipe
system..

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Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli

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>Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , and 
>one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's Smog
Hog, 
>(note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas.  Good 
>flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn't
compare
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>the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said:  "I don't know what the
big deal 
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 Hog."  Maybe.  But, it sure
revolutionized
the 
>contest world, at the time.  If you wanted to win, you had one.  Period.
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>Bill Glaze
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>> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.  Everything
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>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first really high performance pattern plane
>> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. At
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 built a "modified" Taurus.  The Top
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>> The Phoenix 1-8 series.  Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it
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>> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including Dave
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>> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10,
because 
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airplanes. 
>> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.
>> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans" pattern
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