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<DIV><SPAN class=060364723-15122008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=3>Michael Ramel, flying electric pattern since 2000, also designed the
counter rotating gearbox on Sebastiano Silvestrie's 07 WC's
plane.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT
size=2>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR>www.jasonshulman.com<BR>www.shulmanaviation.com<BR>www.composite-arf.com<BR></FONT></P>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>JShulman<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 15, 2008 6:27 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
General pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Breakthrough Pattern plane designs<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=190102423-15122008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=3>Here's my really poor attempt at it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=3><SPAN
class=190102423-15122008>A pilot from the Netherlands (never remember
who) flew an electric in the 91 WC's. Von tried to get a USA Star to work
on electric for those worlds as well but lack of power doomed it. Michael
Rammel (sp) has been flying competitive electric in Germany for many years. I
was the sucker to try it again at the 93 WC</SPAN>'<SPAN
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<P><FONT
size=2>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR>www.jasonshulman.com<BR>www.shulmanaviation.com<BR>www.composite-arf.com<BR></FONT></P>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Richard
Strickland<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 15, 2008 6:17 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
General pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Breakthrough Pattern plane designs<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>I think you are
correct on all counts... It was an interesting time. Can you imagine
anyone even <EM>suggesting</EM> electric then?! So where does that fit
in and who really had the first <EM>competitive</EM> pattern airplane---and
what was it...?<BR> <BR>Richard<BR><BR><BR>
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<BR>Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:51:12 -0500<BR>From:
schale@optonline.net<BR>To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs<BR><BR>Tony F had the
Fygleaf I believe. Not sure of the reason for the name.<BR>Didn't Dave
have the USA Star. I Seem to remember that he had his own carbon fiber
props. They were pretty wide. He could make the FAI pattern
large or small enough to fit in a schoolyard and still look good. I
remember him playing during practice making a very small pattern that still
looked good. Strong wind too.<BR><BR>Stuart C.<BR><BR>Richard
Strickland wrote: <BR>
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Regarding Dean's belt drive--we were all also trying to be quiet along
with figuring out 'turnaround' pattern. He had this hand
carved wide EIGHTEEN inch prop(he called it a club, I
think--HUGE in those days) on it. Was the talk of the contest
that year. Von Linsowe showed up with some huge, slow thing--can't
remember its name--and around then, Frac had some kind of larger, but nice
flying bipe. Lots of innovation just before the switch to
2M... and then I took a ten year sabbatical.....<BR>RS<BR><BR><BR>
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<TD vAlign=top> Norm Page's Mach1. They were ballistic
for their time. The wing was revoulutionary. Mike<BR><BR>--- On
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href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com"><jim.woodward@baesystems.com></A><BR>Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs<BR>To:
"General pattern discussion" <A class=EC_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E
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about the Japanese? Was there a first Japanese plane that
started to shape designs? I remember Jerry talking about
Dean’s belt drive plane one time. That must have been
revolutionary for sure. </SPAN></P></DIV>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Richard Strickland<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday,
December 15, 2008 4:01 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A
class=EC_moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com">cahochhalter@yahoo.com</A>;
NSRCA DISCUSSION<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Breakthrough Pattern plane designs</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=EC_EC_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'">Bridi's
UFO was right in there--but I think the Curare was just a
little b/4.. Curare might have been the first with speed
brakes...</SPAN> </P>
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Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:50:59 -0800<BR>From: <A
class=EC_moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com">cahochhalter@yahoo.com</A><BR>To:
<A class=EC_moz-txt-link-abbreviated
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<P class=EC_EC_MsoNormal>Curare... was this the first
anhedral stab? <BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 12/15/08, Tony
<I><A class=EC_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E
href="mailto:tony@radiosouthrc.com"><tony@radiosouthrc.com></A></I></B>
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<P class=EC_EC_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">From:
Tony <A class=EC_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E
href="mailto:tony@radiosouthrc.com"><tony@radiosouthrc.com></A><BR>Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane
designs<BR>To: "'General pattern discussion'" <A
class=EC_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></A><BR>Date:
Monday, December 15, 2008, 8:39 PM </P><PRE>Also, Steve Helm's Bootlegger... 1st design with fully enclosed tuned pipe</PRE><PRE>system..</PRE><PRE> </PRE><PRE>Tony Stillman, President</PRE><PRE>Radio South, Inc.</PRE><PRE>139 Altama Connector, Box 322</PRE><PRE>Brunswick, GA 31525</PRE><PRE>1-800-962-7802</PRE><PRE><A class=EC_moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com/">www.radiosouthrc.com</A></PRE><PRE> </PRE><PRE>-----Original Message-----</PRE><PRE>From: <A class=EC_moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A></PRE><PRE>[<A class=EC_moz-txt-link-freetext href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] On Behalf Of</PRE><PRE><A class=EC_moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:adriancwong@earthlink.net">adriancwong@earthlink.net</A></PRE><PRE>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:25 PM</PRE><PRE>To: General pattern discussion</PRE><PRE>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough
Pattern plane designs</PRE><PRE> </PRE><PRE>Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli</PRE><PRE> </PRE><PRE>-----Original Message-----</PRE><PRE>>From: billglaze <A class=EC_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:billglaze@bellsouth.net"><billglaze@bellsouth.net></A></PRE><PRE>>Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM</PRE><PRE>>To: General pattern discussion <A class=EC_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></A></PRE><PRE>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs</PRE><PRE>> </PRE><PRE>>Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , and </PRE><PRE>>one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's Smog</PRE><PRE>Hog, </PRE><PRE>>(note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas. Good </PRE><PRE>>flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn't</PRE><PRE>compare</PRE><PRE>to </PRE><PRE>>the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said: "I don't know what the</PRE><PRE>big deal </PRE><PRE>>is; it's just a low-wing Smog
Hog." Maybe. But, it sure</PRE><PRE>revolutionized</PRE><PRE>the </PRE><PRE>>contest world, at the time. If you wanted to win, you had one. Period.</PRE><PRE>> </PRE><PRE>>Bill Glaze</PRE><PRE>>----- Original Message ----- </PRE><PRE>>From: "Jon Lowe" <A class=EC_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com"><jonlowe@aol.com></A></PRE><PRE>>To: <A class=EC_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></A></PRE><PRE>>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM</PRE><PRE>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs</PRE><PRE>> </PRE><PRE>> </PRE><PRE>>> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane. Everything</PRE><PRE>up </PRE><PRE>>> until then had been a high wing airplane.</PRE><PRE>>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski first really high performance pattern plane</PRE><PRE>>> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. At</PRE><PRE>one </PRE><PRE>>> point, everyone had
built a "modified" Taurus. The Top</PRE><PRE>Flight kit, </PRE><PRE>>> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.</PRE><PRE>>> The Phoenix 1-8 series. Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it</PRE><PRE>really </PRE><PRE>>> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7</PRE><PRE>and</PRE><PRE> </PRE><PRE>>> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including Dave</PRE><PRE>Brown, Mike</PRE><PRE> </PRE><PRE>>> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10,</PRE><PRE>because </PRE><PRE>>> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around style</PRE><PRE>airplanes. </PRE><PRE>>> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.</PRE><PRE>>> I have to agree with the Kaos. It was "everymans" pattern</PRE><PRE>plane, and </PRE><PRE>>> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.</PRE><PRE>>>
</PRE><PRE>>> Jon Lowe</PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> -----Original Message-----</PRE><PRE>>> From: Bob Kane <A class=EC_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:getterflash@yahoo.com"><getterflash@yahoo.com></A></PRE><PRE>>> To: General pattern discussion</PRE><PRE><A class=EC_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></A></PRE><PRE>>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm</PRE><PRE>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs</PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> Kaos</PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> Bob Kane</PRE><PRE>>> <A class=EC_moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:getterflash@yahoo.com">getterflash@yahoo.com</A></PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>>
</PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> ------------------------------------------------------------</PRE><PRE>>> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)"</PRE><PRE><A class=EC_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com"><jim.woodward@baesystems.com></A></PRE><PRE>>> To: General pattern discussion</PRE><PRE><A class=EC_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></A></PRE><PRE>>> Sent: Monda</PRE><PRE>>> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM</PRE><PRE>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs</PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> Hi Guys,</PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>>
</PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal</PRE><PRE>pattern</PRE><PRE>>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple</PRE><PRE>>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been</PRE><PRE>>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of a</PRE><PRE>>> plane.</PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the</PRE><PRE>>> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine</PRE><PRE>>> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.</PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>>
</PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> Thanks,</PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> Jim W.</PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> </PRE><PRE>>> _______________________________________________</PRE><PRE>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list</PRE><PRE>>> <A class=EC_moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A></PRE><PRE>>>
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