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color:#1F497D'>Dave Von L. was flying an electric USA Star and almost took it
to the WC one year. Made a last minute decision not to as I remember him
saying.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Richard
Strickland<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 15, 2008 6:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>I think you are correct on all counts... It
was an interesting time. Can you imagine anyone even <em><span
style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>suggesting</span></em> electric
then?! So where does that fit in and who really had the first <em><span
style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>competitive</span></em> pattern
airplane---and what was it...?<br>
<br>
Richard<br>
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:51:12 -0500<br>
From: schale@optonline.net<br>
To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs<br>
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Tony F had the Fygleaf I believe. Not sure of the reason for the name.<br>
Didn't Dave have the USA Star. I Seem to remember that he had his own
carbon fiber props. They were pretty wide. He could make the FAI
pattern large or small enough to fit in a schoolyard and still look good.
I remember him playing during practice making a very small pattern that still
looked good. Strong wind too.<br>
<br>
Stuart C.<br>
<br>
Richard Strickland wrote: <br>
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font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Regarding Dean's belt drive--we were all
also trying to be quiet along with figuring out 'turnaround' pattern. He
had this hand carved wide EIGHTEEN inch prop(he called it a club, I
think--HUGE in those days) on it. Was the talk of the contest that
year. Von Linsowe showed up with some huge, slow thing--can't remember
its name--and around then, Frac had some kind of larger, but nice flying
bipe. Lots of innovation just before the switch to 2M... and then I
took a ten year sabbatical.....<br>
RS<br>
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:55:17 -0800<br>
From: <a href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com">mups1953@yahoo.com</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal> Norm Page's Mach1. They were ballistic for
their time. The wing was revoulutionary. Mike<br>
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--- On <b>Mon, 12/15/08, Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <i><a
href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com"><jim.woodward@baesystems.com></a></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>From: Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <a
href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com"><jim.woodward@baesystems.com></a><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs<br>
To: "General pattern discussion" <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><br>
Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 3:08 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>What about the Japanese? Was there a first Japanese
plane that started to shape designs? I remember Jerry talking about
Dean’s belt drive plane one time. That must have been
revolutionary for sure. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Richard Strickland<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 15, 2008 4:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com">cahochhalter@yahoo.com</a>;
NSRCA DISCUSSION<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Bridi's UFO was right in there--but I
think the Curare was just a little b/4.. Curare might have been
the first with speed brakes...</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:50:59 -0800<br>
From: <a href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com">cahochhalter@yahoo.com</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Curare... was this the first anhedral stab? <br>
<br>
--- On <b>Mon, 12/15/08, Tony <i><a href="mailto:tony@radiosouthrc.com"><tony@radiosouthrc.com></a></i></b>
wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>From: Tony <a
href="mailto:tony@radiosouthrc.com"><tony@radiosouthrc.com></a><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs<br>
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><br>
Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 8:39 PM <o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>Also, Steve Helm's Bootlegger... 1st design with fully enclosed tuned pipe<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>system..<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Tony Stillman, President<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Radio South, Inc.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>139 Altama Connector, Box 322<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Brunswick, GA 31525<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>1-800-962-7802<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a
href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com/">www.radiosouthrc.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>From: <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>[<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a
href="mailto:adriancwong@earthlink.net">adriancwong@earthlink.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:25 PM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To: General pattern discussion<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> Pattern plane designs<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>From: billglaze <a
href="mailto:billglaze@bellsouth.net"><billglaze@bellsouth.net></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>To: General pattern discussion <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , and <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's Smog<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Hog, <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>(note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas. Good <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn't<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>compare<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>to <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said: "I don't know what the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>big deal <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>is; it's just a low-wing Smog<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> Hog." Maybe. But, it sure<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>revolutionized<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>the <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>contest world, at the time. If you wanted to win, you had one. Period.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>Bill Glaze<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>From: "Jon Lowe" <a
href="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com"><jonlowe@aol.com></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>To: <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane. Everything<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>up <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> until then had been a high wing airplane.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski first really high performance pattern plane<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. At<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>one <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> point, everyone had<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> built a "modified" Taurus. The Top<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Flight kit, <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> The Phoenix 1-8 series. Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>really <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>and<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including Dave<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Brown, Mike<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>because <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around style<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>airplanes. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> I have to agree with the Kaos. It was "everymans" pattern<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>plane, and <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Jon Lowe<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> From: Bob Kane <a
href="mailto:getterflash@yahoo.com"><getterflash@yahoo.com></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> To: General pattern discussion<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Kaos<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Bob Kane<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <a
href="mailto:getterflash@yahoo.com">getterflash@yahoo.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> ------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)"<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a
href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com"><jim.woodward@baesystems.com></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> To: General pattern discussion<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Sent: Monda<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Hi Guys,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>pattern<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of a<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> plane.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Thanks,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> Jim W.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>>> <a
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