[NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

Doug Cronkhite seefo at san.rr.com
Mon Dec 15 12:46:40 AKST 2008


Hmm..

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On Dec 15, 2008, at 1:08 PM, "Woodward, Jim \(US SSA\)" <jim.woodward at baesystems.com 
 > wrote:

> What about the Japanese?  Was there a first Japanese plane that  
> started to shape designs?  I remember Jerry talking about Dean’s bel 
> t drive plane one time.  That must have been revolutionary for sure.
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> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> ] On Behalf Of Richard Strickland
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:01 PM
> To: cahochhalter at yahoo.com; NSRCA DISCUSSION
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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> Bridi's UFO was right in there--but I think the Curare was just a  
> little b/4..  Curare might have been the first with speed brakes...
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> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:50:59 -0800
> From: cahochhalter at yahoo.com
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
> Curare... was this the first anhedral stab?
>
> --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote:
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> From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 8:39 PM
>
> Also, Steve Helm's Bootlegger... 1st design with fully enclosed  
> tuned pipe
> system..
>
> Tony Stillman, President
> Radio South, Inc.
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
> Brunswick, GA  31525
> 1-800-962-7802
> www.radiosouthrc.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
> adriancwong at earthlink.net
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:25 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
>
> Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: billglaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
> >Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM
> >To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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> >Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred  
> Dunn) , and
> >one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's Smog
> Hog,
> >(note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas.   
> Good
> >flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn't
> compare
> to
> >the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said:  "I don't know what the
> big deal
> >is; it's just a low-wing Smog Hog."  Maybe.  But, it sure
> revolutionized
> the
> >contest world, at the time.  If you wanted to win, you had one.   
> Period.
> >
> >Bill Glaze
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>
> >To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM
> >Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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> >> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.   
> Everything
> up
> >> until then had been a high wing airplane.
> >> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first really high performance pattern plane
> >> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all  
> times. At
> one
> >> point, everyone had built a "modified" Taurus.  The Top
> Flight kit,
> >> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.
> >> The Phoenix 1-8 series.  Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it
> really
> >> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5,  
> 6, 7
> and
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> >> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including Dave
> Brown, Mike
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> >> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10,
> because
> >> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around style
> airplanes.
> >> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.
> >> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans" pattern
> plane, and
> >> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.
> >>
> >> Jon Lowe
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> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
> >> To: General pattern discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm
> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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> >> Bob Kane
> >> getterflash at yahoo.com
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> >> ------------------------------------------------------------
> >> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)"
> <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
> >> To: General pattern discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >> Sent: Monda
> >> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM
> >> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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> >> Hi Guys,
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> >> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal
> pattern
> >> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple
> >> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have  
> been
> >> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck  
> of a
> >> plane.
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> >> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the
> >> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last  
> nine
> >> years, I?d say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.
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> >> Thanks,
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> >> Jim W.
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