[NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab

Sun Oct 14 16:22:24 AKDT 2007

Nope! NONE of us qualify for an exemption! <LOL>

John Pavlick
http://www.idseng.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "george w. kennie" <geobet at gis.net>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab

> John,
> I'm sure you'll acknowledge that some of us qualify for exclusion,
> ....huh?,...huh?....huh???
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Pavlick" <jpavlick at idseng.com>
> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 12:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab
>
>
>> After watching this thread run it's course I think we can all agree at
>> this
>> point that maybe, just maybe the description of the obsessive, 
>> compulsive,
>> anal "Pattern Pilot" known to many sport pilots is pretty accurate. <LOL>
>>
>> John Pavlick
>> http://www.idseng.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ken Thompson" <mrandmrst at comcast.net>
>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:41 AM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab
>>
>>
>>> It'll be alright Jay, just remember to delete instead of open...but you
>>> can't, can you?  Your hoping someone will have something interesting to
>>> say
>>> and you don't want to miss it<VBG>
>>>
>>> Ken
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Jay Marshall" <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
>>> To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:18 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab
>>>
>>>
>>>> This discussion is really getting old and stale!
>>>>
>>>> Jay Marshall
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Lance 
>>>> Van
>>>> Nostrand
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:13 AM
>>>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab
>>>>
>>>> Or you could simply do the math.  I thought we had more than one
>>>> engineer
>>>> in
>>>>
>>>> our group.  This took me less than 5 min to model but its been far more
>>>> enjoyable to read this "world is flat vs round" thread.  You'd think it
>>>> was
>>>> the dead of winter.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "John Konneker" <jlkonn at hotmail.com>
>>>> To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 8:50 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Sigh....
>>>>> With all due respect to everyone involved in this discussion.
>>>>> Let me suggest that you invest a $100 or so in a flight in a C-172 
>>>>> with
>>>>> an
>>>>> instructor.
>>>>> Pick a day when there is a good breeze, not gail!, and go for a 
>>>>> flight.
>>>>> Ask him to fly up and down section lines, roads or whatever and
>>>>> demonstrate
>>>>> the winds effect on the airplane.
>>>>> Ask him to demonstrate the "auto wind correcting" ability of the
>>>>> airplane.
>>>>> <G>
>>>>> You'll probably have to ask him more than once after he gives you a
>>>>> couple
>>>>> blank stares.
>>>>> Set the heading bug to the wind direction so that no matter what the
>>>>> airplane heading you can see from which relative direction the wind is
>>>>> blowing.
>>>>> Just a suggestion...
>>>>> JLK
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: "Ken Thompson" <mrandmrst at comcast.net>
>>>>>>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>>>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab
>>>>>>Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 08:37:07 -0500
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hey Ron,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Would I be correct in assuming your quote in parenthesis should read,
>>>>>>"During that flight, airplane "intended" heading and track will not be
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>same", or are you pointing out that a plane will "somewhat" crab, on
>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>own, in a crosswind?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>BTW:  I like the white board and beer idea;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ken
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: "Ron Lockhart" <ronlock at comcast.net>
>>>>>>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 8:16 AM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > If a pilot is flying to a specific point and points a trimmed
>>>>>> > airplane
>>>>>> > directly at that point, and there is wind
>>>>>> > somwhat perpendicular to the intended flight track over the ground
>>>>>> > the
>>>>>> > airplane will not get to that point.
>>>>>> > The airplane will get to a point down wind of the intended point.
>>>>>>(During
>>>>>> > that flight, airplane heading and
>>>>>> > track will not be the same.  There will be no wind hitting side of
>>>>>>plane.
>>>>>> > A
>>>>>> > yaw string on nose will be
>>>>>> > straight down fuse)     I suppose we just lost a few folks here....
>>>>>> > (sigh)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>All this would be a bunch easier with a white board and beer.  <VBG>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Later,  Ron Lockhart
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> > From: "Ken Thompson" <mrandmrst at comcast.net>
>>>>>> > To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>>> > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:48 AM
>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> Jim and all,
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Most of us realize the plane will do as you and others have
>>>>>> >> described,
>>>>>>my
>>>>>> >> only point in questioning this is...is it called "weathervaning"
>>>>>> >> while
>>>>>> > it's
>>>>>> >> in the air, or is it called "wind induced yaw or crab"?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Best to you in your recovery.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Ken
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> >> From: "James Oddino" <joddino at socal.rr.com>
>>>>>> >> To: <alberji at charter.net>; "NSRCA Mailing List"
>>>>>> >> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>>> >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 7:14 PM
>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>   If it does, this is my
>>>>>> >> > definition of weathervaning.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > I'm recovering from an emergency appendectomy so I'm depending 
>>>>>> >> > on
>>>>>> >> > all
>>>>>> >> > you other guys to go try a cross wind stall turn with no rudder
>>>>>> >> > command tomorrow and report on your results.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > Best Regards, Jim O
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
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