[NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab

Sat Oct 13 08:32:45 AKDT 2007

Well...
We could switch it to the "down wind turn"...
:-)
How's that for a hand grenade over the wall?
lol
JLK

>From: "Jay Marshall" <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
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>To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab
>Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:18:19 -0400
>
>This discussion is really getting old and stale!
>
>Jay Marshall
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Lance Van
>Nostrand
>Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:13 AM
>To: NSRCA Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab
>
>Or you could simply do the math.  I thought we had more than one engineer 
>in
>
>our group.  This took me less than 5 min to model but its been far more
>enjoyable to read this "world is flat vs round" thread.  You'd think it was
>the dead of winter.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Konneker" <jlkonn at hotmail.com>
>To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 8:50 AM
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab
>
>
> > Sigh....
> > With all due respect to everyone involved in this discussion.
> > Let me suggest that you invest a $100 or so in a flight in a C-172 with 
>an
> > instructor.
> > Pick a day when there is a good breeze, not gail!, and go for a flight.
> > Ask him to fly up and down section lines, roads or whatever and
> > demonstrate
> > the winds effect on the airplane.
> > Ask him to demonstrate the "auto wind correcting" ability of the 
>airplane.
> > <G>
> > You'll probably have to ask him more than once after he gives you a 
>couple
> > blank stares.
> > Set the heading bug to the wind direction so that no matter what the
> > airplane heading you can see from which relative direction the wind is
> > blowing.
> > Just a suggestion...
> > JLK
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: "Ken Thompson" <mrandmrst at comcast.net>
> >>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab
> >>Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 08:37:07 -0500
> >>
> >>Hey Ron,
> >>
> >>Would I be correct in assuming your quote in parenthesis should read,
> >>"During that flight, airplane "intended" heading and track will not be 
>the
> >>same", or are you pointing out that a plane will "somewhat" crab, on 
>it's
> >>own, in a crosswind?
> >>
> >>BTW:  I like the white board and beer idea;-)
> >>
> >>Ken
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Ron Lockhart" <ronlock at comcast.net>
> >>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >>Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 8:16 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > If a pilot is flying to a specific point and points a trimmed 
>airplane
> >> > directly at that point, and there is wind
> >> > somwhat perpendicular to the intended flight track over the ground 
>the
> >> > airplane will not get to that point.
> >> > The airplane will get to a point down wind of the intended point.
> >>(During
> >> > that flight, airplane heading and
> >> > track will not be the same.  There will be no wind hitting side of
> >>plane.
> >> > A
> >> > yaw string on nose will be
> >> > straight down fuse)     I suppose we just lost a few folks here....
> >> > (sigh)
> >>
> >>All this would be a bunch easier with a white board and beer.  <VBG>
> >> >
> >> > Later,  Ron Lockhart
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Ken Thompson" <mrandmrst at comcast.net>
> >> > To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >> > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:48 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Jim and all,
> >> >>
> >> >> Most of us realize the plane will do as you and others have 
>described,
> >>my
> >> >> only point in questioning this is...is it called "weathervaning" 
>while
> >> > it's
> >> >> in the air, or is it called "wind induced yaw or crab"?
> >> >>
> >> >> Best to you in your recovery.
> >> >>
> >> >> Ken
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "James Oddino" <joddino at socal.rr.com>
> >> >> To: <alberji at charter.net>; "NSRCA Mailing List"
> >> >> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >> >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 7:14 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>   If it does, this is my
> >> >> > definition of weathervaning.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm recovering from an emergency appendectomy so I'm depending on
> >> >> > all
> >> >> > you other guys to go try a cross wind stall turn with no rudder
> >> >> > command tomorrow and report on your results.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Best Regards, Jim O
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
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