[NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab

Sun Oct 14 09:39:23 AKDT 2007

John,
I'm sure you'll acknowledge that some of us qualify for exclusion, 
....huh?,...huh?....huh???

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Pavlick" <jpavlick at idseng.com>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab

> After watching this thread run it's course I think we can all agree at 
> this
> point that maybe, just maybe the description of the obsessive, compulsive,
> anal "Pattern Pilot" known to many sport pilots is pretty accurate. <LOL>
>
> John Pavlick
> http://www.idseng.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ken Thompson" <mrandmrst at comcast.net>
> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab
>
>
>> It'll be alright Jay, just remember to delete instead of open...but you
>> can't, can you?  Your hoping someone will have something interesting to
>> say
>> and you don't want to miss it<VBG>
>>
>> Ken
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jay Marshall" <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
>> To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:18 AM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab
>>
>>
>>> This discussion is really getting old and stale!
>>>
>>> Jay Marshall
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Lance Van
>>> Nostrand
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:13 AM
>>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab
>>>
>>> Or you could simply do the math.  I thought we had more than one 
>>> engineer
>>> in
>>>
>>> our group.  This took me less than 5 min to model but its been far more
>>> enjoyable to read this "world is flat vs round" thread.  You'd think it
>>> was
>>> the dead of winter.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "John Konneker" <jlkonn at hotmail.com>
>>> To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 8:50 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sigh....
>>>> With all due respect to everyone involved in this discussion.
>>>> Let me suggest that you invest a $100 or so in a flight in a C-172 with
>>>> an
>>>> instructor.
>>>> Pick a day when there is a good breeze, not gail!, and go for a flight.
>>>> Ask him to fly up and down section lines, roads or whatever and
>>>> demonstrate
>>>> the winds effect on the airplane.
>>>> Ask him to demonstrate the "auto wind correcting" ability of the
>>>> airplane.
>>>> <G>
>>>> You'll probably have to ask him more than once after he gives you a
>>>> couple
>>>> blank stares.
>>>> Set the heading bug to the wind direction so that no matter what the
>>>> airplane heading you can see from which relative direction the wind is
>>>> blowing.
>>>> Just a suggestion...
>>>> JLK
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: "Ken Thompson" <mrandmrst at comcast.net>
>>>>>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab
>>>>>Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 08:37:07 -0500
>>>>>
>>>>>Hey Ron,
>>>>>
>>>>>Would I be correct in assuming your quote in parenthesis should read,
>>>>>"During that flight, airplane "intended" heading and track will not be
>>>>>the
>>>>>same", or are you pointing out that a plane will "somewhat" crab, on
>>>>>it's
>>>>>own, in a crosswind?
>>>>>
>>>>>BTW:  I like the white board and beer idea;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>Ken
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Ron Lockhart" <ronlock at comcast.net>
>>>>>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>>Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 8:16 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If a pilot is flying to a specific point and points a trimmed
>>>>> > airplane
>>>>> > directly at that point, and there is wind
>>>>> > somwhat perpendicular to the intended flight track over the ground
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > airplane will not get to that point.
>>>>> > The airplane will get to a point down wind of the intended point.
>>>>>(During
>>>>> > that flight, airplane heading and
>>>>> > track will not be the same.  There will be no wind hitting side of
>>>>>plane.
>>>>> > A
>>>>> > yaw string on nose will be
>>>>> > straight down fuse)     I suppose we just lost a few folks here....
>>>>> > (sigh)
>>>>>
>>>>>All this would be a bunch easier with a white board and beer.  <VBG>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Later,  Ron Lockhart
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> > From: "Ken Thompson" <mrandmrst at comcast.net>
>>>>> > To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>> > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:48 AM
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Jim and all,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Most of us realize the plane will do as you and others have
>>>>> >> described,
>>>>>my
>>>>> >> only point in questioning this is...is it called "weathervaning"
>>>>> >> while
>>>>> > it's
>>>>> >> in the air, or is it called "wind induced yaw or crab"?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Best to you in your recovery.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Ken
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >> From: "James Oddino" <joddino at socal.rr.com>
>>>>> >> To: <alberji at charter.net>; "NSRCA Mailing List"
>>>>> >> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>> >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 7:14 PM
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>   If it does, this is my
>>>>> >> > definition of weathervaning.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > I'm recovering from an emergency appendectomy so I'm depending on
>>>>> >> > all
>>>>> >> > you other guys to go try a cross wind stall turn with no rudder
>>>>> >> > command tomorrow and report on your results.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Best Regards, Jim O
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
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