[NSRCA-discussion] Rudder

[Jerry Voth]

I've been folloing this thread and there is one thing that puzzles me. The vertical fin and rudder are (and I'm guessing) about 20% of the total side area of a pattern plane. If it were weathervaning,why wouldn't the nose be more prone to blow in the direction of the wind?


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Del K. Rykert 
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  Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rudder


  Thank goodness judges don't have a T & B ball in a panel in front of them to watch how many are skidding through the air.. grins..  I have always felt if all things are pure the pattern airplane in true corrected crab maintains it same speed when pulling to vertical and the crosswind component stays constant then no further input is needed till your speed starts to decay when pulling vertical.  What many are doing is flying one wing low when in level fight then when they pull vertical have to sneak in some extra correction for pulling a highly visible vertical to the judges. 
       
      Del 
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Woodward, Jim 
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    Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:31 PM
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rudder


    Bob - the correct answer on using aileron during a radius, for the purpose of wind correction, is that if you are NOT using it is a downgrade(able).   It's impossible in every way to use only rudder through a radius actually keep the "wings-level" to the intended flight path.


    Maneuvers are to be wind-corrected and flown in a single vertical plane - anything less is uncivilized J 


    The wings should be "level" at every part of the curve/radius, and the only way to do that is by rolling the plane, slightly.

    Thanks,

    Jim W.



    From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Richards
    Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:19 PM
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    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rudder


    That is the best description I have read so far. Agree 100%.


    Not long ago, I was talking with someone about wind correction and mentioned that a very small amount of aileron should be used when pulling a radius to a vertical line. He said if he ever saw me do it while he was judging, he would downgrade. I told him if I do it right, he will never see it. :-)


    Bob R.



    J N Hiller <jnhiller at earthlink.net> wrote:

      This has been an interesting discussion. The airplane dose not establish a crab angle on it's own when in the air. The airplane has a crab angle in horizontal flight and when it is pulled vertical the wings will not be perpendicular to the flight path without a roll correction. The need for the correction will be apparent and automatically applied prior to finishing the radius. When a roll input is applied with elevator it changes the heading in the direction of roll, (think barrel roll) in this case into the wind as it finishes the radius. Most of the time it will be excessive requiring a little opposite (down wind) rudder correction unless the upwind wing was high entering the pull-up. Once the airplane is leaning to one side in a vertical the lean will increase and is especially noticeable as it slows. Some increase is needed to maintain wind correction and the need for opposite rudder to maintain a vertical track depends on how rapidly the airplane is decelerated. Most of the time I will try to apply some down wind rudder with the roll correction at about 45 degrees, before the need becomes visible as it is nearly always required. In short just point the airplane in the direction you want it to go and stir the sticks as necessary.

      Jim Hiller




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