[NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Tue May 1 07:42:12 AKDT 2007

Fred:
That is pretty much what we are looking at doing.

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South

3702 N. Pace Blvd

Pensacola, FL 32505

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Fred Huber
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 10:11 AM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

RE charging to use the National Flying Site...

I suggest that if a club/SIG uses it for an event that there be some
"Reservation Fee" to give them exclusive use of one of the flying areas on
the property for that event.

For an AMA member showing up and wanting to use the site to just be able to
say "I flew at the National Flying Site"... I would oppose charging.  Direct
them to whichever area is appropriate (not reserved for some event) and tell
them what frequency sharing plan is in effect for that flying site.
(assuming they are flying RC... since someone might show up with a FF or CL
model)

But then... someone just showing up and wanting to fly would have to
understand that if the flying areas (for his/her type model) are all
reserved for events... SORRY. (as in ... don't expect to show up durring the
6 weeks of the NATS and find any "open" flying available)

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Tony Stillman <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>  

To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  

Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 8:02 AM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Joe:
It was directed to "break even" several years ago.  The problem is that HQ
just didn't have a good plan on how to track all the costs.  Temp helpers,
staff that already works full-time for AMA working on Nats stuff, etc.  It
is more complex than I realized when I first got on the EC.  That is being
corrected now, with the help of our new Executive Director.  He wants all
the departments to give him good data.  I agree that this should have been
fixed a long time ago.  I can't do anything about that, but I am on the EC
now and can do something.  That is what I am trying to do now.

HQ has not charged other AMA clubs or groups a fee for using the site.
However, I do believe that will change.  Tents, chairs and equipment will be
rented to those groups that use the site as well.  It was an issue of an AMA
member being charged for using the site that his/her dues paid for.  HQ
didn't think that would sit well with very many members.

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South

3702 N. Pace Blvd

Pensacola, FL 32505

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Joe Lachowski
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 7:51 PM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Another question. Was the Nats EVER profitable in the past(post Navy era)?

If it wasn't maybe it should have been fixed a long time ago and there
wouldn't be this discussion. If it was profitable, I wouldn't mind seeing
what the net gain or loss over the years has been.

Yet another question. Are other special events/competitions outside of the
Nats at Muncie assessed some sort of users fee to offset operational
costs(if any)?

FYI. I'm for adding Sportsman next year, provided there is a minimum of 10
entrants. If not, refund or give those who entered the option to fly
Intermediate. Sounds fair to me. Obviously, this year is a little too late.

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From: jlachow at hotmail.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:50:11 -0400
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

To add to this. We need hard numbers. How many entrants does it take on a
given day or event for the AMA to break even on cost. Just maybe some events
don't pay their fair share as compared to others. 

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From: jlachow at hotmail.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:40:58 -0400
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Well if the Nats are in the red then there is a need to increase the number
of attendees and/or increase the entry fee not the number of days. Wasn't
this years entry fee increased?<g> Maybe all the SIGS need to encourage more
of their people to attend or lose it. There was a time when pattern had over
150 plus attendees. There are some events that only have a handful of people
involved. Maybe some of those small events need to be discontinued as part
of the Nats.

Tony, how much is in the red anyway? hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands
of dollars?

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From: tony at radiosouthrc.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:09:32 -0500
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Ok.. .you asked for a need. here it is..

The Executive Council is always pressed by sport fliers as to why funds
should be spent on less than 1% of the membership to allow for a site for a
Nats, as well as the staff support and equipment support required to run
these events.  The Nats takes up 6 weeks of prime flying time for Muncie.
Other groups would like to use that time for events as well.  The Nats
operates in the red every year.  

So, if we reduced the number of days required to have a Nats, that would
reduce costs as well.  How do we reduce the number of days required to run
the pattern Nats?  Do we just increase the entry fee to take care of all of
the costs so the sport fliers can then be told that the competition pilots
"pay their own way"?  Do we (the EC) just ignore them and hope they go away?

I am a BIG fan of competition and the Nats.  However, I can tell all of you
that many on the EC don't give a rat's behind about competition or the Nats.
I am trying to represent competition and how important it has been in the
past and will be in the future.  

So, how does NSRCA handle it if we get cut to a 2-day even for the Pattern
Nats?

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South

3702 N. Pace Blvd

Pensacola, FL 32505

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hester
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 12:37 PM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

ok, then one more:

if it ain't broke, why fix it? Is there some underlying problem that we
aren't aware of? I'm just not seeing the need I guess. if it were a vote,
I'd definitely vote NOT to have to qualify for the Nats. 

-Mike

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Tony Stillman <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>  

To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:07 PM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

John:
I realize that this is a different approach and that there are lots of
opinions.  That is all I am asking for.

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South

3702 N. Pace Blvd

Pensacola, FL 32505

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/> 

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Ferrell
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:32 AM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Flame suit on, cannons loaded and ready...

If you really want a good answer, ask the guys who are competing at Muncie
this year.

If you want to justify a position already decided, survey the population
that will give you the answer you want!

No offense intended.

Why would you want to curtail the most successful segment of the Nats?
Without the Nats, there is little point in maintaining Muncie. 

(BTW, considering the source, I think you are shopping for ammunition rather
than an argument!)

John Ferrell    W8CCW
"Life is easier if you learn to plow 
       around the stumps"
http://DixieNC.US <http://dixienc.us/> 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Tony Stillman <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>  

To: 'NSRCA Mailing List' <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:40 AM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

Buddy:
As I said at the beginning of this discussion thread, I am involved with a
total NATS review.  We are talking about all of the NATS, nothing is too
sacred to be up for discussion.

One question I always had is why it the NATS an open event?  Most all sports
NATIONAL championships require you to qualify.  With so many people
complaining that the AMA NATS is 6-weeks long, this was brought up as a way
to shorten the event.  It also would elevate the status of the NATS.  I
don't see how this would reduce participation at the local level.  It may
actually increase it!

Keep in mind that this is just DISCUSSION!!!  Don't get all bent out of
shape because we are talking about it.

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South

3702 N. Pace Blvd

Pensacola, FL 32505

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
BUDDYonRC at aol.com
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 6:56 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rule 8.1.1

I have a question

Why all of a sudden are you talking about special requirements needed for 

Nat's entry.

My take on this, is if this is done we will reduce participation. I may be
wrong but if I am not how is this going to help pattern and the NSRCA?

I think it will be the first step toward a further reduction in membership
and a step toward an all professional Nat's 

Second question

Tony are you pushing this idea for real?  

Buddy 

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