[NSRCA-discussion] Flying in wind

Thu Mar 15 18:17:47 AKDT 2007

I just want to chime in to second what RVP is trying to point out here. As pattern pilots/enthusiasts we take for granted being able to fly a straight track parallel to the runway with wings level... you'd probably be surprised how many sport pilots can't (or won't) do that. By definition, and as a result by nature, we are precise, exacting pilots. While we concentrate on symmetry and flow of maneuvers, other pilots just try to get through a maneuver without getting disoriented and crashing. I think this is the very reason some view pattern pilots as elitists in this sport (and nevermind the expense of our equipment). Then to top it all off, we need to be competitive... we need to believe that on any given weekend we can beat everyone else in our respective classes. There's nothing wrong with that, it's just healthy competition to us, but I can see why others might see it otherwise.

Matt

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ron Van Putte 
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  Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 5:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flying in wind

  On Mar 15, 2007, at 4:39 PM, rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote:

    This reminded me of something a Golfing pro (Rocco Mediate I think) said a while back....and I paraphrase: "the average amateur has no idea how much better skilled the pro is".

    Ron, I wouldn't fret too much. If you still can, invite him to try and beat your flying skill.... in the process possibly you may convert him into a believer, both that you are indeed better and that he also may improve enough to get a piece of your action. A win-win

  I didn't/don't say what I did to denigrate the sport pilot, but to point out to him that there are skills to be acquired in learning how to fly Pattern airplane that are immediately transferrable back into sport flying: a better pilot enjoys all kinds of flying even more.

  Ron Van Putte

    -----Original Message-----
    From: vanputte at cox.net
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    Sent: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 4:19 PM
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flying in wind

    This is a very good point.  When you learn to use all the tools properly and develop discipline and skill by practice, you will be a better pilot.   

    BTW, I've had sport pilots say something to me like, "You Pattern pilots think you're better pilots than the rest of us."  I probably didn't make any friends for Pattern when I said, "Yes, we do, because we have the discipline and skill to do maneuvers we want to do where we want to do them." 

    Ron Van Putte

    On Mar 15, 2007, at 2:57 PM, Mike Robinson wrote:

      Robert - I've had and have most of your flying habits. But, once I committed to do maneuvers in a planned way instead of just doing them I soon realized I needed to use every tool available to me which included the rudder. I have found that with practice, and a good coach if available, those habits tend to be replaced with better ones. I guess I'm saying "Do your time" and it will work out. 
      Lastly, those maneuvers are supposed to be daunting! If they were easy, then every sport flyer would be a pattern flyer!

      On 3/15/07, Robert L. Beaubien <rbeaubien at koolsoft.com> wrote: 
        As someone that is trying to unlearn the bad habits of my training, I wonder if I am approaching this the wrong way.  

        I was trained to fly without rudder (except for ground control) and learned the reverse controls concept when flying toward me and I pretty much think that way when flying.  I have learned to use a little rudder to be able to land in crosswinds, but it just seems to foreign to me.  As I start down the path of learning to fly pattern, I find the concept of learning to fly a straight path in a cross wind while performing maneuvers to be daunting.  

        Troy has been helping me out a lot, but I was wondering if anyone has suggestions for going through this relearning process.

        - Robert Beaubien

        From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Archie Stafford
        Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:54 AM
        To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'
        Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Field lay out Advice

        I have to disagree on this one.  I now teach guys for a living how to fly.  We end up teaching them UAV's, but they learn on .60 size trainers.  These guys have no background in R/C and I think if you don't let them be affected by the wind, then they wont be.  Our normal flying days here in SW texas are 10-15mph, and these guys are soloing in 5 days flying only in the afternoons. Usually straight in our face, or straight from our backs.  I don't think I've had a day yet that we didn't have a significant crosswind.  I have found here, that if you don't let the guys become psychologically affected by the wind and such, then it isn't near as big a factor.  Another tip we have found and it is true, is that we do not mention ANYTHING about the controls being different when coming at them.  I've heard people say "the controls reverse when coming at you", well, that's not actually true, it only ! appears that way.  By not telling them that, it takes that thought process out of their heads and they don't fight it.  Teach in the wind, and they'll be able to fly in the wind.

        Arch Stafford

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