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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I just want to chime in to second what RVP is
trying to point out here. As pattern pilots/enthusiasts we take for granted
being able to fly a straight track parallel to the runway with wings level...
you'd probably be surprised how many sport pilots can't (or won't) do that. By
definition, and as a result by nature, we are precise, exacting pilots. While we
concentrate on symmetry and flow of maneuvers, other pilots just try to get
through a maneuver without getting disoriented and crashing. I think this is the
very reason some view pattern pilots as elitists in this sport (and
nevermind the expense of our equipment). Then to top it all off, we need to be
competitive... we need to believe that on any given weekend we can beat everyone
else in our respective classes. There's nothing wrong with that, it's
just healthy competition to us, but I can see why others might see it
otherwise.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Matt</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 15, 2007 5:15
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flying in
wind</DIV>
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<DIV>On Mar 15, 2007, at 4:39 PM, <A
href="mailto:rcmaster199@aol.com">rcmaster199@aol.com</A> wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV>This reminded me of something a Golfing pro (Rocco Mediate I think)
said <SPAN contentEditable=false style="DISPLAY: inline-block"></SPAN>a
while back....and I paraphrase: "the average amateur has no idea how much
better skilled the pro is".</DIV>
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<DIV>Ron, I wouldn't fret too much. If you still can, invite him to try
and beat your flying skill.... in the process possibly you may convert him
into a believer, both that you are indeed better and that he also may
improve enough to get a piece of your action. A win-win</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV>I didn't/don't say what I did to
denigrate the sport pilot, but to point out to him that there are skills to be
acquired in learning how to fly Pattern airplane that are immediately
transferrable back into sport flying: a better pilot enjoys all kinds of
flying even more.</DIV>
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<DIV>Ron Van Putte</DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">vanputte@cox.net</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>Sent:
Thu, 15 Mar 2007 4:19 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flying in
wind<BR><BR>
<DIV id=AOLMsgPart_3_c5a1f41c-3b2c-4918-b23e-6e26ed770f9e>This is a very
good point. When you learn to use all the tools properly and develop
discipline and skill by practice, you will be a better pilot.
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<DIV>BTW, I've had sport pilots say something to me like, "You Pattern
pilots think you're better pilots than the rest of us." I probably
didn't make any friends for Pattern when I said, "Yes, we do, because we
have the discipline and skill to do maneuvers we want to do where we want to
do them."
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<DIV>Ron Van Putte</DIV>
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<DIV>On Mar 15, 2007, at 2:57 PM, Mike Robinson wrote:</DIV><BR
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Robert - I've had and have most of your flying
habits. But, once I committed to do maneuvers in a planned way instead of
just doing them I soon realized I needed to use every tool available to me
which included the rudder. I have found that with practice, and a good
coach if available, those habits tend to be replaced with better ones. I
guess I'm saying "Do your time" and it will work out. <BR>Lastly, those
maneuvers are supposed to be daunting! If they were easy, then every sport
flyer would be a pattern flyer!<BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 3/15/07, <B class=gmail_sendername>Robert
L. Beaubien </B><<A
href="mailto:rbeaubien@koolsoft.com">rbeaubien@koolsoft.com</A>>
wrote:</SPAN>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">As someone
that is trying to unlearn the bad habits of my training, I wonder if I
am approaching this the wrong way. </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">I was trained
to fly without rudder (except for ground control) and learned the
reverse controls concept when flying toward me and I pretty much think
that way when flying. I have learned to use a little rudder to be
able to land in crosswinds, but it just seems to foreign to me. As
I start down the path of learning to fly pattern, I find the concept of
learning to fly a straight path in a cross wind while performing
maneuvers to be daunting. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)"></SPAN><BR
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Troy has been
helping me out a lot, but I was wondering if anyone has suggestions for
going through this relearning process.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">- Robert
Beaubien</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Archie Stafford<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 15,
2007 10:54 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'NSRCA Mailing List'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] New Field lay out Advice</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">I have to disagree on
this one. I now teach guys for a living how to fly. We end
up teaching them UAV's, but they learn on .60 size trainers. These
guys have no background in R/C and I think if you don't let them be
affected by the wind, then they wont be. Our normal flying days
here in SW texas are 10-15mph, and these guys are soloing in 5 days
flying only in the afternoons. Usually straight in our face, or straight
from our backs. I don't think I've had a day yet that we didn't
have a significant crosswind. I have found here, that if you don't
let the guys become psychologically affected by the wind and such, then
it isn't near as big a factor. Another tip we have found and it is
true, is that we do not mention ANYTHING about the controls being
different when coming at them. I've heard people say "the controls
reverse when coming at you", well, that's not actually true, it only !
appears that way. By not telling them that, it takes that thought
process out of their heads and they don't fight it. Teach in the
wind, and they'll be able to fly in the wind.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">Arch
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