[NSRCA-discussion] contest

Wed Jul 4 07:00:33 AKDT 2007

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> From: edbon85 at charter.net> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 09:12:36 -0400> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest> > I have to agree with Ed here. If the contest start date is a Saturday but > you decide you are only going to show up on Sunday, YOU need to verify ahead > of time with the CD to see what the agenda is for Sunday. Unless the CD > states specifically in his AMA sanction/ad for the event that X number of > rounds will be flown each day, it is entirely possible that all the flying > is done on Saturday and judging seminars done on Sunday or vice versa for an > example. I just ran into this with a Warbird event I CD'ed here in TN. I > sanctioned the event for 2 days, however the ad said the event was on > Saturday and Sunday was the rain date. Everyone attended Saturday ( 20 > flyers ) and no one had any intention of coming back on Sunday. Of course > AMA D5 having their District "fun fly" the same day only 90 miles away > didn't help things. Common sense has to dictate things here. If you don't > plan to be at the start of the event and take your chances showing up for > day 2 only, you've done just that, taken a chance. Make a call before you > burn $2.75/gallon in gas....oh wait we are talking the NE here, I mean > $3.50/gallon gas.......:)> Ed M.> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Alt" <ed_alt at hotmail.com>> To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 8:42 AM> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest> > > Terry:> It's deviations from the rules that are discussed. Anyway, following your > line of reasoning here, the next thing to argue is that the CD flew too many > rounds on Saturday. Suppose he had us fly Sunday as well and put in one > round. Had you shown up on Sunday, you would have had no mathematical > chance to win, unless you could have somehow convinced the CD to start > repeating rounds that were not necessary for the rest of the flyers who did > show up at the advertised time. That would be the case in most contests, > for example at Pocono the week before when we flew 4 rounds on Saturday, > except in Advanced.> > I would still like to see where it says that you can't shorten the number of > days based on this type of circumstance. I think that if you try to take > away common sense flexibility, some CD's who run events with historically > smaller turnouts may decide to clip the contests from 2 days to 1 day, just > to avoid the possibility of a protest from someone who later claims that > they lost their shot at a trophy because of CD malfeasance. Think about the > CD who has to convince his club helpers that they need to give up their time > again on Sunday to support the possibility that a no-show from somewhere in > the district will suddenly show, all the while knowing full well that most, > if not all of the contestants from day 1 won't even bother to return, as the > results are already mathematically settled.> > Re. the almost trip, call the CD the night before and confirm what's going > on. Call a buddy who went Saturday. I would call just to see if it was > worth the trip in terms of rounds already flown vs. rounds planned.> > Ed> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Adrien L Terrenoire> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 5:55 AM> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest> > > This is the kind of logic that makes legal documents 300 pages long. I am > SURE there is no specific mention of shortening a contest, but there IS > wording that says any deviation from rules MUST be published in advance. I > take that to mean if something IS published, like a 2 day contest, I, as a > competitor have the reasonable expectation of going to the event on the > second day and being able to fly, and get judged, and have it count in the > contest!> > Don't get me wrong, I may have voted to end the contest too, and I can > certainly see the logic with just 10 pilots. I would just like for all CDs > to be aware that AMA states that you must follow the published statements!> > I also said in my original post that I nearly made a 2 hour trip for > nothing on Sunday!> > Terry T.> > > On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:55:31 -0500 "Ed Alt" <ed_alt at hotmail.com> writes:> Oh heck, I couldn't resist, so I went back to try to find the place in > the rules where it says a CD can't shorten the contest. I couldn't find it. > I found things like he can't cancel it for low attendance, which didn't > happen. But nothing about clipping a day off the end after a sufficient > number of rounds has been flown, with the consent of all contestants > PRESENT. Please provide the passage for review, because I don't see it > anywhere.> > Thanks> Ed> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ed Alt> To: NSRCA Mailing List> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:36 PM> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest> > > Del:> That would have been quite a challenge with no pilots. We got a full > contest in on Saturday. Let's move on, shall we?> > Ed> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Del K. Rykert> To: NSRCA Mailing List> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:58 AM> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest> > > Terry is correct. The CD guidelines are very clear regarding any > changes to a sanctioned event that are advertised. They do have to follow > the format that was advertised. Acts of GOD & severe weather are acceptable > exceptions.> > Del> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ed Alt> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:58 PM> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest> > > Terry:> Ask John about what he was thinking re. the Sunday late comer > possibility. I don't know.> > Anyway, I think the CD does have this type of discretion. There's > a point at which you are putting contestants who did show up on the > advertised start date and time in position where they would have to incur > the additional time and expense of the 2nd day for no useful purpose from > their point of view. We got 5 rounds in without breaking a sweat. That's a > complete contest. I think he made a good decision and he also discussed it > with us first.> > Ed> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Adrien L Terrenoire> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:25 PM> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest> > > When John made that decision did he consider that there may be a > flyer who could only make it Sunday?? At one point that option was one I > considered. I had a birthday party for my 3 year old grandson in CT, and I > gave consideration to coming home Sunday by way of the contest. Needless to > say, I would have been really P*****d if I had gotten there just to find out > that it had been turned into a one day affair. That is NOT following AMA > guidelines for a contest adminstration. The CD MUST adhear to the advertised > event schedule.> > Terry T.> > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 17:52:19 -0500 "Ed Alt" <ed_alt at hotmail.com> > writes:> Del:> This was actually scheduled as a 2 day contest. Due to the > low attendance, John Tarpinian elected to make it a one day contest, which > worked out quite well.> > Anyway, I agree with George's assessment. It's a really nice > field with some minor runway obstacles to keep in mind, but for all > practical purposes, they don't exist due to the CD instructions on how > landings are to be scored (anywhere on a very long runway is a 10). We had > a great time flying, the hospitality from the club was great and overall, it > was an event I will want to return to.> > Ed> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Del K. Rykert> To: NSRCA Mailing List> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:31 AM> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest> > > Hi George..> When/if I can get back to competing that is a long way > to go for a one day event knowing how fickle the weather in the N.E. can be. > I have never attended a 1 day event in all my years of competing. If they > were close by that might make it viable.> > Del> ----- Original Message ----- > From: george w. kennie> To: NSRCA Mailing List> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:33 PM> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] contest> > > For all the guys in D1 that missed the Hadley contest on > Saturday I want to express my disappointment at the absence of your presence > at what was a terrific time.Ed Alt was the only guy that showed up from the > N.J. contingent and was a great help as judge, caller, and certainly the > premiere performer of the day with really notable performances from Scott > Smith with his new electric Patriot with the Hacker 60 up front. I felt that > everyone flew well and would have loved to have had more representation in > each class.> Due to the East facing flightline we didn't get started as > early as I would have liked, but that was probably a blessing in disguise as > we probably would have had a 10 round contest.> As it was, the contest was a very laid-back affair with > wonderful temperatures and partly sunny skies, a little breezy in the P.M., > but handled easily by everyone in attendance. Lots of lazy kibitzing under > the easy-ups all day.> The field was freshly mowed and well prepped for even the > lowest of prop clearances ( Walter Erickson had about 3/4").> One of the enticing features of this event were the high > dollar prizes awarded the winners. Jim Quinn was overheard celebrating his > $6K award for his high placement in Master's.> In spite of my personal ban ( apparently the word had not > gotten out) I was allowed to judge 5 rounds in all classes which was very > refreshing after all these years.> The kindness extended to me was very much appreciated as > they allowed me to fly a class that I was totally unqualified for in spite > of the fact that I came in dead last (in a field of one).> Great food was in abundance both lunch and dinner and it > was gratus. Nobody went home hungry. John Tarpinian(C.D.) did an admirable > job of putting together a first rate event and even had a hat-draw raffle at > the end where everyone went home with something of value (that's in addition > to those high dollar placement awards).> > In attendance was the "New Kid" in D1 competition, David > Lampron, who took first in Sportsman and at 13 years of age is going to be > one to watch in the next couple of years. David has a younger brother, Dean, > who I predict will follow in his brother's footsteps. These 2 kids are the > nicest young guys, respectful and polite to a fault. David served as a > maneuver caller for the judges on many rounds and a little sister, Kelly > worked on the scoring program ( not as a runner, but the real thing), she > must have been about 9 or 10.> > The field is a little tight on one end and will make you > pay attention on your landings, but the overall surroundings are a very > pleasant farmland paradise. For the guys that passed this one up this year, > you really missed a great time.Be sure and put a big star beside this one on > next year's calendar.You'll be glad you did.> Georgie> > > --------------------------------------------------------------> > > _______________________________________________> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------> > > _______________________________________________> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------> > > _______________________________________________> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > _______________________________________________> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > _______________________________________________> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > _______________________________________________> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > _______________________________________________> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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