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<body>I paid $2.79 today Ed<g><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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> From: edbon85@charter.net<BR>> To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 09:12:36 -0400<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest<BR>> <BR>> I have to agree with Ed here. If the contest start date is a Saturday but <BR>> you decide you are only going to show up on Sunday, YOU need to verify ahead <BR>> of time with the CD to see what the agenda is for Sunday. Unless the CD <BR>> states specifically in his AMA sanction/ad for the event that X number of <BR>> rounds will be flown each day, it is entirely possible that all the flying <BR>> is done on Saturday and judging seminars done on Sunday or vice versa for an <BR>> example. I just ran into this with a Warbird event I CD'ed here in TN. I <BR>> sanctioned the event for 2 days, however the ad said the event was on <BR>> Saturday and Sunday was the rain date. Everyone attended Saturday ( 20 <BR>> flyers ) and no one had any intention of coming back on Sunday. Of course <BR>> AMA D5 having their District "fun fly" the same day only 90 miles away <BR>> didn't help things. Common sense has to dictate things here. If you don't <BR>> plan to be at the start of the event and take your chances showing up for <BR>> day 2 only, you've done just that, taken a chance. Make a call before you <BR>> burn $2.75/gallon in gas....oh wait we are talking the NE here, I mean <BR>> $3.50/gallon gas.......:)<BR>> Ed M.<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Ed Alt" <ed_alt@hotmail.com><BR>> To: <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 8:42 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Terry:<BR>> It's deviations from the rules that are discussed. Anyway, following your <BR>> line of reasoning here, the next thing to argue is that the CD flew too many <BR>> rounds on Saturday. Suppose he had us fly Sunday as well and put in one <BR>> round. Had you shown up on Sunday, you would have had no mathematical <BR>> chance to win, unless you could have somehow convinced the CD to start <BR>> repeating rounds that were not necessary for the rest of the flyers who did <BR>> show up at the advertised time. That would be the case in most contests, <BR>> for example at Pocono the week before when we flew 4 rounds on Saturday, <BR>> except in Advanced.<BR>> <BR>> I would still like to see where it says that you can't shorten the number of <BR>> days based on this type of circumstance. I think that if you try to take <BR>> away common sense flexibility, some CD's who run events with historically <BR>> smaller turnouts may decide to clip the contests from 2 days to 1 day, just <BR>> to avoid the possibility of a protest from someone who later claims that <BR>> they lost their shot at a trophy because of CD malfeasance. Think about the <BR>> CD who has to convince his club helpers that they need to give up their time <BR>> again on Sunday to support the possibility that a no-show from somewhere in <BR>> the district will suddenly show, all the while knowing full well that most, <BR>> if not all of the contestants from day 1 won't even bother to return, as the <BR>> results are already mathematically settled.<BR>> <BR>> Re. the almost trip, call the CD the night before and confirm what's going <BR>> on. Call a buddy who went Saturday. I would call just to see if it was <BR>> worth the trip in terms of rounds already flown vs. rounds planned.<BR>> <BR>> Ed<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Adrien L Terrenoire<BR>> To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 5:55 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> This is the kind of logic that makes legal documents 300 pages long. I am <BR>> SURE there is no specific mention of shortening a contest, but there IS <BR>> wording that says any deviation from rules MUST be published in advance. I <BR>> take that to mean if something IS published, like a 2 day contest, I, as a <BR>> competitor have the reasonable expectation of going to the event on the <BR>> second day and being able to fly, and get judged, and have it count in the <BR>> contest!<BR>> <BR>> Don't get me wrong, I may have voted to end the contest too, and I can <BR>> certainly see the logic with just 10 pilots. I would just like for all CDs <BR>> to be aware that AMA states that you must follow the published statements!<BR>> <BR>> I also said in my original post that I nearly made a 2 hour trip for <BR>> nothing on Sunday!<BR>> <BR>> Terry T.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:55:31 -0500 "Ed Alt" <ed_alt@hotmail.com> writes:<BR>> Oh heck, I couldn't resist, so I went back to try to find the place in <BR>> the rules where it says a CD can't shorten the contest. I couldn't find it. <BR>> I found things like he can't cancel it for low attendance, which didn't <BR>> happen. But nothing about clipping a day off the end after a sufficient <BR>> number of rounds has been flown, with the consent of all contestants <BR>> PRESENT. Please provide the passage for review, because I don't see it <BR>> anywhere.<BR>> <BR>> Thanks<BR>> Ed<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Ed Alt<BR>> To: NSRCA Mailing List<BR>> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:36 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Del:<BR>> That would have been quite a challenge with no pilots. We got a full <BR>> contest in on Saturday. Let's move on, shall we?<BR>> <BR>> Ed<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Del K. Rykert<BR>> To: NSRCA Mailing List<BR>> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:58 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Terry is correct. The CD guidelines are very clear regarding any <BR>> changes to a sanctioned event that are advertised. They do have to follow <BR>> the format that was advertised. Acts of GOD & severe weather are acceptable <BR>> exceptions.<BR>> <BR>> Del<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Ed Alt<BR>> To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:58 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Terry:<BR>> Ask John about what he was thinking re. the Sunday late comer <BR>> possibility. I don't know.<BR>> <BR>> Anyway, I think the CD does have this type of discretion. There's <BR>> a point at which you are putting contestants who did show up on the <BR>> advertised start date and time in position where they would have to incur <BR>> the additional time and expense of the 2nd day for no useful purpose from <BR>> their point of view. We got 5 rounds in without breaking a sweat. That's a <BR>> complete contest. I think he made a good decision and he also discussed it <BR>> with us first.<BR>> <BR>> Ed<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Adrien L Terrenoire<BR>> To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:25 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> When John made that decision did he consider that there may be a <BR>> flyer who could only make it Sunday?? At one point that option was one I <BR>> considered. I had a birthday party for my 3 year old grandson in CT, and I <BR>> gave consideration to coming home Sunday by way of the contest. Needless to <BR>> say, I would have been really P*****d if I had gotten there just to find out <BR>> that it had been turned into a one day affair. That is NOT following AMA <BR>> guidelines for a contest adminstration. The CD MUST adhear to the advertised <BR>> event schedule.<BR>> <BR>> Terry T.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 17:52:19 -0500 "Ed Alt" <ed_alt@hotmail.com> <BR>> writes:<BR>> Del:<BR>> This was actually scheduled as a 2 day contest. Due to the <BR>> low attendance, John Tarpinian elected to make it a one day contest, which <BR>> worked out quite well.<BR>> <BR>> Anyway, I agree with George's assessment. It's a really nice <BR>> field with some minor runway obstacles to keep in mind, but for all <BR>> practical purposes, they don't exist due to the CD instructions on how <BR>> landings are to be scored (anywhere on a very long runway is a 10). We had <BR>> a great time flying, the hospitality from the club was great and overall, it <BR>> was an event I will want to return to.<BR>> <BR>> Ed<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Del K. Rykert<BR>> To: NSRCA Mailing List<BR>> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:31 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Hi George..<BR>> When/if I can get back to competing that is a long way <BR>> to go for a one day event knowing how fickle the weather in the N.E. can be. <BR>> I have never attended a 1 day event in all my years of competing. If they <BR>> were close by that might make it viable.<BR>> <BR>> Del<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: george w. kennie<BR>> To: NSRCA Mailing List<BR>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:33 PM<BR>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] contest<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> For all the guys in D1 that missed the Hadley contest on <BR>> Saturday I want to express my disappointment at the absence of your presence <BR>> at what was a terrific time.Ed Alt was the only guy that showed up from the <BR>> N.J. contingent and was a great help as judge, caller, and certainly the <BR>> premiere performer of the day with really notable performances from Scott <BR>> Smith with his new electric Patriot with the Hacker 60 up front. I felt that <BR>> everyone flew well and would have loved to have had more representation in <BR>> each class.<BR>> Due to the East facing flightline we didn't get started as <BR>> early as I would have liked, but that was probably a blessing in disguise as <BR>> we probably would have had a 10 round contest.<BR>> As it was, the contest was a very laid-back affair with <BR>> wonderful temperatures and partly sunny skies, a little breezy in the P.M., <BR>> but handled easily by everyone in attendance. Lots of lazy kibitzing under <BR>> the easy-ups all day.<BR>> The field was freshly mowed and well prepped for even the <BR>> lowest of prop clearances ( Walter Erickson had about 3/4").<BR>> One of the enticing features of this event were the high <BR>> dollar prizes awarded the winners. Jim Quinn was overheard celebrating his <BR>> $6K award for his high placement in Master's.<BR>> In spite of my personal ban ( apparently the word had not <BR>> gotten out) I was allowed to judge 5 rounds in all classes which was very <BR>> refreshing after all these years.<BR>> The kindness extended to me was very much appreciated as <BR>> they allowed me to fly a class that I was totally unqualified for in spite <BR>> of the fact that I came in dead last (in a field of one).<BR>> Great food was in abundance both lunch and dinner and it <BR>> was gratus. Nobody went home hungry. John Tarpinian(C.D.) did an admirable <BR>> job of putting together a first rate event and even had a hat-draw raffle at <BR>> the end where everyone went home with something of value (that's in addition <BR>> to those high dollar placement awards).<BR>> <BR>> In attendance was the "New Kid" in D1 competition, David <BR>> Lampron, who took first in Sportsman and at 13 years of age is going to be <BR>> one to watch in the next couple of years. David has a younger brother, Dean, <BR>> who I predict will follow in his brother's footsteps. These 2 kids are the <BR>> nicest young guys, respectful and polite to a fault. David served as a <BR>> maneuver caller for the judges on many rounds and a little sister, Kelly <BR>> worked on the scoring program ( not as a runner, but the real thing), she <BR>> must have been about 9 or 10.<BR>> <BR>> The field is a little tight on one end and will make you <BR>> pay attention on your landings, but the overall surroundings are a very <BR>> pleasant farmland paradise. For the guys that passed this one up this year, <BR>> you really missed a great time.Be sure and put a big star beside this one on <BR>> next year's calendar.You'll be glad you did.<BR>> Georgie<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > _______________________________________________<BR>> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>> > NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion <BR>> <BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion<BR><br /><hr />See what you’re getting into…before you go there. <a href='http://newlivehotmail.com' target='_new'>Check it out!</a></body>
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