[NSRCA-discussion] contest

Ed Miller edbon85 at charter.net
Wed Jul 4 07:10:04 AKDT 2007 

Yeah and in Joisey there are real live gas station attendants that pump the 
gas for you !!  Gee, I ought to move back..............never happening.
Ed M.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Lachowski" <jlachow at hotmail.com>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest


I paid $2.79 today Ed<g>

> From: edbon85 at charter.net> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Date: 
> Wed, 4 Jul 2007 09:12:36 -0400> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest> > 
> I have to agree with Ed here. If the contest start date is a Saturday but 
>  > you decide you are only going to show up on Sunday, YOU need to verify 
> ahead > of time with the CD to see what the agenda is for Sunday. Unless 
> the CD > states specifically in his AMA sanction/ad for the event that X 
> number of > rounds will be flown each day, it is entirely possible that 
> all the flying > is done on Saturday and judging seminars done on Sunday 
> or vice versa for an > example. I just ran into this with a Warbird event 
> I CD'ed here in TN. I > sanctioned the event for 2 days, however the ad 
> said the event was on > Saturday and Sunday was the rain date. Everyone 
> attended Saturday ( 20 > flyers ) and no one had any intention of coming 
> back on Sunday. Of course > AMA D5 having their District "fun fly" the 
> same day only 90 miles away > didn't help things. Common sense has to 
> dictate things here. If you don't > plan to be at the start of the event 
> and take your chances showing up for > day 2 only, you've done just that, 
> taken a chance. Make a call before you > burn $2.75/gallon in gas....oh 
> wait we are talking the NE here, I mean > $3.50/gallon gas.......:)> Ed 
> M.> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Alt" <ed_alt at hotmail.com>> 
> To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 
> 8:42 AM> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest> > > Terry:> It's 
> deviations from the rules that are discussed. Anyway, following your > 
> line of reasoning here, the next thing to argue is that the CD flew too 
> many > rounds on Saturday. Suppose he had us fly Sunday as well and put in 
> one > round. Had you shown up on Sunday, you would have had no 
> mathematical > chance to win, unless you could have somehow convinced the 
> CD to start > repeating rounds that were not necessary for the rest of the 
> flyers who did > show up at the advertised time. That would be the case in 
> most contests, > for example at Pocono the week before when we flew 4 
> rounds on Saturday, > except in Advanced.> > I would still like to see 
> where it says that you can't shorten the number of > days based on this 
> type of circumstance. I think that if you try to take > away common sense 
> flexibility, some CD's who run events with historically > smaller turnouts 
> may decide to clip the contests from 2 days to 1 day, just > to avoid the 
> possibility of a protest from someone who later claims that > they lost 
> their shot at a trophy because of CD malfeasance. Think about the > CD who 
> has to convince his club helpers that they need to give up their time > 
> again on Sunday to support the possibility that a no-show from somewhere 
> in > the district will suddenly show, all the while knowing full well that 
> most, > if not all of the contestants from day 1 won't even bother to 
> return, as the > results are already mathematically settled.> > Re. the 
> almost trip, call the CD the night before and confirm what's going > on. 
> Call a buddy who went Saturday. I would call just to see if it was > worth 
> the trip in terms of rounds already flown vs. rounds planned.> > Ed> > 
>  > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Adrien L Terrenoire> To: 
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 5:55 AM> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest> > > This is the kind of logic 
> that makes legal documents 300 pages long. I am > SURE there is no 
> specific mention of shortening a contest, but there IS > wording that says 
> any deviation from rules MUST be published in advance. I > take that to 
> mean if something IS published, like a 2 day contest, I, as a > competitor 
> have the reasonable expectation of going to the event on the > second day 
> and being able to fly, and get judged, and have it count in the > 
> contest!> > Don't get me wrong, I may have voted to end the contest too, 
> and I can > certainly see the logic with just 10 pilots. I would just like 
> for all CDs > to be aware that AMA states that you must follow the 
> published statements!> > I also said in my original post that I nearly 
> made a 2 hour trip for > nothing on Sunday!> > Terry T.> > > On Tue, 3 Jul 
> 2007 17:55:31 -0500 "Ed Alt" <ed_alt at hotmail.com> writes:> Oh heck, I 
> couldn't resist, so I went back to try to find the place in > the rules 
> where it says a CD can't shorten the contest. I couldn't find it. > I 
> found things like he can't cancel it for low attendance, which didn't > 
> happen. But nothing about clipping a day off the end after a sufficient > 
> number of rounds has been flown, with the consent of all contestants > 
> PRESENT. Please provide the passage for review, because I don't see it > 
> anywhere.> > Thanks> Ed> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ed Alt> To: 
> NSRCA Mailing List> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:36 PM> Subject: Re: 
> [NSRCA-discussion] contest> > > Del:> That would have been quite a 
> challenge with no pilots. We got a full > contest in on Saturday. Let's 
> move on, shall we?> > Ed> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Del K. 
> Rykert> To: NSRCA Mailing List> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:58 AM> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest> > > Terry is correct. The CD 
> guidelines are very clear regarding any > changes to a sanctioned event 
> that are advertised. They do have to follow > the format that was 
> advertised. Acts of GOD & severe weather are acceptable > exceptions.> > 
> Del> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ed Alt> To: 
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:58 PM> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest> > > Terry:> Ask John about what 
> he was thinking re. the Sunday late comer > possibility. I don't know.> > 
> Anyway, I think the CD does have this type of discretion. There's > a 
> point at which you are putting contestants who did show up on the > 
> advertised start date and time in position where they would have to incur 
>  > the additional time and expense of the 2nd day for no useful purpose 
> from > their point of view. We got 5 rounds in without breaking a sweat. 
> That's a > complete contest. I think he made a good decision and he also 
> discussed it > with us first.> > Ed> ----- Original Message ----- > From: 
> Adrien L Terrenoire> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Monday, 
> July 02, 2007 8:25 PM> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest> > > When 
> John made that decision did he consider that there may be a > flyer who 
> could only make it Sunday?? At one point that option was one I > 
> considered. I had a birthday party for my 3 year old grandson in CT, and I 
>  > gave consideration to coming home Sunday by way of the contest. Needless 
> to > say, I would have been really P*****d if I had gotten there just to 
> find out > that it had been turned into a one day affair. That is NOT 
> following AMA > guidelines for a contest adminstration. The CD MUST adhear 
> to the advertised > event schedule.> > Terry T.> > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 
> 17:52:19 -0500 "Ed Alt" <ed_alt at hotmail.com> > writes:> Del:> This was 
> actually scheduled as a 2 day contest. Due to the > low attendance, John 
> Tarpinian elected to make it a one day contest, which > worked out quite 
> well.> > Anyway, I agree with George's assessment. It's a really nice > 
> field with some minor runway obstacles to keep in mind, but for all > 
> practical purposes, they don't exist due to the CD instructions on how > 
> landings are to be scored (anywhere on a very long runway is a 10). We had 
>  > a great time flying, the hospitality from the club was great and 
> overall, it > was an event I will want to return to.> > Ed> ----- Original 
> Message ----- > From: Del K. Rykert> To: NSRCA Mailing List> Sent: Monday, 
> July 02, 2007 9:31 AM> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest> > > Hi 
> George..> When/if I can get back to competing that is a long way > to go 
> for a one day event knowing how fickle the weather in the N.E. can be. > I 
> have never attended a 1 day event in all my years of competing. If they > 
> were close by that might make it viable.> > Del> ----- Original 
> Message ----- > From: george w. kennie> To: NSRCA Mailing List> Sent: 
> Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:33 PM> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] contest> > > 
> For all the guys in D1 that missed the Hadley contest on > Saturday I want 
> to express my disappointment at the absence of your presence > at what was 
> a terrific time.Ed Alt was the only guy that showed up from the > N.J. 
> contingent and was a great help as judge, caller, and certainly the > 
> premiere performer of the day with really notable performances from Scott 
>  > Smith with his new electric Patriot with the Hacker 60 up front. I felt 
> that > everyone flew well and would have loved to have had more 
> representation in > each class.> Due to the East facing flightline we 
> didn't get started as > early as I would have liked, but that was probably 
> a blessing in disguise as > we probably would have had a 10 round 
> contest.> As it was, the contest was a very laid-back affair with > 
> wonderful temperatures and partly sunny skies, a little breezy in the 
> P.M., > but handled easily by everyone in attendance. Lots of lazy 
> kibitzing under > the easy-ups all day.> The field was freshly mowed and 
> well prepped for even the > lowest of prop clearances ( Walter Erickson 
> had about 3/4").> One of the enticing features of this event were the high 
>  > dollar prizes awarded the winners. Jim Quinn was overheard celebrating 
> his > $6K award for his high placement in Master's.> In spite of my 
> personal ban ( apparently the word had not > gotten out) I was allowed to 
> judge 5 rounds in all classes which was very > refreshing after all these 
> years.> The kindness extended to me was very much appreciated as > they 
> allowed me to fly a class that I was totally unqualified for in spite > of 
> the fact that I came in dead last (in a field of one).> Great food was in 
> abundance both lunch and dinner and it > was gratus. Nobody went home 
> hungry. John Tarpinian(C.D.) did an admirable > job of putting together a 
> first rate event and even had a hat-draw raffle at > the end where 
> everyone went home with something of value (that's in addition > to those 
> high dollar placement awards).> > In attendance was the "New Kid" in D1 
> competition, David > Lampron, who took first in Sportsman and at 13 years 
> of age is going to be > one to watch in the next couple of years. David 
> has a younger brother, Dean, > who I predict will follow in his brother's 
> footsteps. These 2 kids are the > nicest young guys, respectful and polite 
> to a fault. David served as a > maneuver caller for the judges on many 
> rounds and a little sister, Kelly > worked on the scoring program ( not as 
> a runner, but the real thing), she > must have been about 9 or 10.> > The 
> field is a little tight on one end and will make you > pay attention on 
> your landings, but the overall surroundings are a very > pleasant farmland 
> paradise. For the guys that passed this one up this year, > you really 
> missed a great time.Be sure and put a big star beside this one on > next 
> year's calendar.You'll be glad you did.> Georgie> > 
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