[NSRCA-discussion] contest

Wed Jul 4 03:21:54 AKDT 2007

This is the kind of logic that makes legal documents 300 pages long. I am
SURE there is no specific mention of shortening a contest, but there IS
wording that says any deviation from rules MUST be published in advance.
I take that to mean if something IS published, like a 2 day contest, I,
as a competitor have the reasonable expectation of going to the event on
the second day and being able to fly, and get judged, and have it count
in the contest!

Don't get me wrong, I may have voted to end the contest too, and I can
certainly see the logic with just 10 pilots. I would just like for all
CDs to be aware that AMA states that you must follow the published
statements!

I also said in my original post that I nearly made a 2 hour trip for
nothing on Sunday!

Terry T.

On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:55:31 -0500 "Ed Alt" <ed_alt at hotmail.com> writes:
Oh heck, I couldn't resist, so I went back to try to find the place in
the rules where it says a CD can't shorten the contest.  I couldn't find
it.  I found things like he can't cancel it for low attendance, which
didn't happen.  But nothing about clipping a day off the end after a
sufficient number of rounds has been flown, with the consent of all
contestants PRESENT. Please provide the passage for review, because I
don't see it anywhere.

Thanks
Ed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ed Alt 
To: NSRCA Mailing List 
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest

Del:
That would have been quite a challenge with no pilots.  We got a full
contest in on Saturday.  Let's move on, shall we?

Ed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Del K. Rykert 
To: NSRCA Mailing List 
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest

Terry is correct.  The CD guidelines are very clear regarding any changes
to a sanctioned event that are advertised. They do have to follow the
format that was advertised. Acts of GOD & severe weather are acceptable
exceptions. 

    Del 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ed Alt 
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest

Terry:
Ask John about what he was thinking re. the Sunday late comer
possibility.  I don't know.

Anyway, I think the CD does have this type of discretion.  There's a
point at which you are putting contestants who did show up on the
advertised start date and time in position where they would have to incur
the additional time and expense of the 2nd day for no useful purpose from
their point of view.  We got 5 rounds in without breaking a sweat. 
That's a complete contest. I think he made a good decision and he also
discussed it with us first.

Ed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Adrien L Terrenoire 
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest

When John made that decision did he consider that there may be a flyer
who could only make it Sunday?? At one point that option was one I
considered. I had a birthday party for my 3 year old grandson in CT, and
I gave consideration to coming home Sunday by way of the contest.
Needless to say, I would have been really P*****d if I had gotten there
just to find out that it had been turned into a one day affair. That is
NOT following AMA guidelines for a contest adminstration. The CD MUST
adhear to the advertised event schedule.

Terry T.

On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 17:52:19 -0500 "Ed Alt" <ed_alt at hotmail.com> writes:
Del:
This was actually scheduled as a 2 day contest.  Due to the low
attendance, John Tarpinian elected to make it a one day contest, which
worked out quite well.

Anyway, I agree with George's assessment.  It's a really nice field with
some minor runway obstacles to keep in mind, but for all practical
purposes, they don't exist due to the CD instructions on how landings are
to be scored (anywhere on a very long runway is a 10).  We had a great
time flying, the hospitality from the club was great and overall, it was
an event I will want to return to.  

Ed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Del K. Rykert 
To: NSRCA Mailing List 
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] contest

Hi George..
    When/if I can get back to competing that is a long way to go for a
one day event knowing how fickle the weather in the N.E. can be.  I have
never attended a 1 day event in all my years of competing. If they were
close by that might make it viable.

    Del
----- Original Message ----- 
From: george w. kennie 
To: NSRCA Mailing List 
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:33 PM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] contest

For all the guys in D1 that missed the Hadley contest on Saturday I want
to express my disappointment at the absence of your presence at what was
a terrific time.Ed Alt was the only guy that showed up from the N.J.
contingent and was a great help as judge, caller, and certainly the
premiere performer of the day with really notable performances from Scott
Smith with his new electric Patriot with the Hacker 60 up front. I felt
that everyone flew well and would have loved to have had more
representation in each class. 
Due to the East facing flightline we didn't get started as early as I
would have liked, but that was probably a blessing in disguise as we
probably would have had a 10 round contest.
As it was, the contest was a very laid-back affair with wonderful
temperatures and partly sunny skies, a little breezy in the P.M., but
handled easily by everyone in attendance. Lots of lazy kibitzing under
the easy-ups all day.
The field was freshly mowed and well prepped for even the lowest of prop
clearances ( Walter Erickson had about 3/4"). 
One of the enticing features of this event were the high dollar prizes
awarded the winners. Jim Quinn was overheard celebrating his $6K award
for his high placement in Master's.
In spite of my personal ban ( apparently the word had not gotten out) I
was allowed to judge 5 rounds in all classes which was very refreshing
after all these years. 
The kindness extended to me was very much appreciated as they allowed me
to fly a class that I was totally unqualified for in spite of the fact
that I came in dead last (in a field of one).
Great food was in abundance both lunch and dinner and it was gratus.
Nobody went home hungry. John Tarpinian(C.D.) did an admirable job of
putting together a first rate event and even had a hat-draw raffle at the
end where everyone went home with something of value (that's in addition
to those high dollar placement awards).

In attendance was the "New Kid" in D1 competition, David Lampron, who
took first in Sportsman and at 13 years of age is going to be one to
watch in the next couple of years. David has a younger brother, Dean, who
I predict will follow in his brother's footsteps. These 2 kids are the
nicest young guys, respectful and polite to a fault. David served as a
maneuver caller for the judges on many rounds and a little sister, Kelly
worked on the scoring program ( not as a runner, but the real thing), she
must have been about 9 or 10.

The field is a little tight on one end and will make you pay attention on
your landings, but the overall surroundings are a very pleasant farmland
paradise. For the guys that passed this one up this year, you really
missed a great time.Be sure and put a big star beside this one on next
year's calendar.You'll be glad you did.
Georgie

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