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<DIV>This is the kind of logic that makes legal documents 300 pages long. I am
SURE there is no specific mention of shortening a contest, but there IS wording
that says any deviation from rules MUST be published in advance. I take that to
mean if something IS published, like a 2 day contest, I, as a competitor have
the reasonable expectation of going to the event on the second day and being
able to fly, and get judged, and have it count in the contest!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Don't get me wrong, I may have voted to end the contest too, and I can
certainly see the logic with just 10 pilots. I would just like for all CDs to be
aware that AMA states that you must follow the published statements!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I also said in my original post that I nearly made a 2 hour trip for
nothing on Sunday!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Terry T.</DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:55:31 -0500 "Ed Alt" <<A
href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">ed_alt@hotmail.com</A>> writes:</DIV>
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<DIV>Oh heck, I couldn't resist, so I went back to try to find the place in
the rules where it says a CD can't shorten the contest. I couldn't find
it. I found things like he can't cancel it for low attendance,
which didn't happen. But nothing about clipping a day off the end after
a sufficient number of rounds has been flown, with the consent of all
contestants PRESENT. Please provide the passage for review, because I
don't see it anywhere.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks</DIV>
<DIV>Ed</DIV>
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<A title=mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">Ed
Alt</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:36
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
contest</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Del:</DIV>
<DIV>That would have been quite a challenge with no pilots. We got a
full contest in on Saturday. Let's move on, shall we?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ed</DIV>
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K. Rykert</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:58
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
contest</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Terry is correct. The CD guidelines are very
clear regarding any changes to a sanctioned event that are advertised.
They do have to follow the format that was advertised. Acts of GOD &
severe weather are acceptable exceptions. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial> Del</FONT> </DIV>
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<A title=mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">Ed
Alt</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 02, 2007 9:58
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
contest</DIV>
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<DIV>Terry:</DIV>
<DIV>Ask John about what he was thinking re. the Sunday late comer
possibility. I don't know.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Anyway, I think the CD does have this type of discretion.
There's a point at which you are putting contestants who did show up on
the advertised start date and time in position where they would have to
incur the additional time and expense of the 2nd day for no useful
purpose from their point of view. We got 5 rounds in without
breaking a sweat. That's a complete contest. I think he made a
good decision and he also discussed it with us first.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ed</DIV>
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<DIV
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<A title=mailto:amad2terry@juno.com
href="mailto:amad2terry@juno.com">Adrien L Terrenoire</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 02, 2007 8:25
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
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<DIV>When John made that decision did he consider that there may be a
flyer who could only make it Sunday?? At one point that option was one
I considered. I had a birthday party for my 3 year old grandson in CT,
and I gave consideration to coming home Sunday by way of the contest.
Needless to say, I would have been really P*****d if I had gotten
there just to find out that it had been turned into a one day affair.
That is NOT following AMA guidelines for a contest adminstration. The
CD MUST adhear to the advertised event schedule.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Terry T.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 17:52:19 -0500 "Ed Alt" <<A
title=mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com
href="mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">ed_alt@hotmail.com</A>>
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<DIV>Del:</DIV>
<DIV>This was actually scheduled as a 2 day contest. Due to
the low attendance, John Tarpinian elected to make it a one day
contest, which worked out quite well.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Anyway, I agree with George's assessment. It's a really
nice field with some minor runway obstacles to keep in mind, but for
all practical purposes, they don't exist due to the CD instructions
on how landings are to be scored (anywhere on a very long runway is
a 10). We had a great time flying, the hospitality from the
club was great and overall, it was an event I will want to return
to. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ed</DIV>
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<A title=mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com
href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com">Del K. Rykert</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 02, 2007
9:31 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] contest</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi George..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> When/if I can get
back to competing that is a long way to go for a one day event
knowing how fickle the weather in the N.E. can be. I have
never attended a 1 day event in all my years of competing. If they
were close by that might make it viable.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Del</FONT></DIV>
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href="mailto:geobet@gis.net">george w. kennie</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 01, 2007
3:33 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion]
contest</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For all the guys in D1 that missed
the Hadley contest on Saturday I want to express my
disappointment at the absence of your presence at what was a
terrific time.Ed Alt was the only guy that showed up from the
N.J. contingent and was a great help as judge, caller, and
certainly the premiere performer of the day with really notable
performances from Scott Smith with his new electric Patriot with
the Hacker 60 up front. I felt that everyone flew well and would
have loved to have had more representation in each
class. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Due to the East facing
flightline we didn't get started as early as I would
have liked, but that was probably a blessing in disguise as
we probably would have had a 10 round contest.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As it was, the contest was a very
laid-back affair with wonderful temperatures and partly sunny
skies, a little breezy in the P.M., but handled easily by
everyone in attendance. Lots of lazy kibitzing under the
easy-ups all day.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The field was freshly mowed and
well prepped for even the lowest of prop clearances ( Walter
Erickson had about 3/4"). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>One of the enticing features of
this event were the high dollar prizes awarded the winners. Jim
Quinn was overheard celebrating his $6K award for his high
placement in Master's.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In spite of my personal ban (
apparently the word had not gotten out) I was allowed to judge 5
rounds in all classes which was very refreshing after all these
years. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The kindness extended to me was
very much appreciated as they allowed me to fly a class that I
was totally unqualified for in spite of the fact that I came in
dead last (in a field of one).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Great food was in abundance both
lunch and dinner and it was gratus. Nobody went home hungry.
John Tarpinian(C.D.) did an admirable job of putting together a
first rate event and even had a hat-draw raffle at the end where
everyone went home with something of value (that's in addition
to those high dollar placement awards).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In attendance was the "New Kid" in
D1 competition, David Lampron, who took first in Sportsman and
at 13 years of age is going to be one to watch in the next
couple of years. David has a younger brother, Dean, who I
predict will follow in his brother's footsteps. These 2 kids are
the nicest young guys, respectful and polite to a fault. David
served as a maneuver caller for the judges on many rounds and a
little sister, Kelly worked on the scoring program ( not as
a runner, but the real thing), she must have been about 9 or
10.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The field is a little tight on one
end and will make you pay attention on your landings, but the
overall surroundings are a very pleasant farmland
paradise. For the guys that passed this one up this year,
you really missed a great time.Be sure and put a big star beside
this one on next year's calendar.You'll be glad you
did.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Georgie</FONT></DIV>
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