[NSRCA-discussion] The real rason Pattern flyers are seenasElitists...

[Pete Cosky]

Mike....you haven't butted heads with me yet......it would be like hitting solid granite.

Pete
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mike Hester 
  To: NSRCA Mailing List 
  Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 5:46
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The real rason Pattern flyers are seenasElitists...


  Boy did we EVER butt heads! (Huh huh....huh huh huh he said "butt heads"...)

  I am pretty sure I've butted heads with just about everyone at some point....but all you have to do is put it all in perspective and realize that we can disagree all day, even REALLY heated, and at the end of it all we're still after the same thing.

  And over time, I've seen that I was wrong about some things, and pointed them out, and right about others, and in the end it doesn't matter. I'm REALLY high strung and until people meet me they can easily take something I type the wrong way. I understand that fully.

  Like Dave stated, Fred your passion is appreciated....don't ever think it's not. But I'd be careful about calling people out as "snobs" too quickly. 

  And for what it's worth, if Dave hadn't "won" that arguement about the difficulty level in sportsman and intermediate, the schedules would be a lot tougher. After seeing it flown in competition for the first time in a nasty crosswind last month, guess what? Dave was right! (In truth I think we ended up with a compromise, but it's a lot closer to what Dave was thinking than what we were thinking).

  Some of mine and Troy Newman's arguements were nothing short of "epic". And yet as far as I know, we get along fine (Troy may still have a Mikey voodoo doll that he sets on fire and torments, I don't know LOL). And Troy is welcome around me any time, any place. Just like practically everyone else.

  I'd say the classic "can't we all just get along", but in reality, we DO!!!! But we're going to argue and debate stuff, because we're pretty darned passionate about it all too. It's toy planes at the end of the day, but we love it and that's why we get animated over it. 

  Now my epoxy is cured so I'm going to get back to business here =)

  -Mike

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: DaveL322 at comcast.net 
    To: NSRCA Mailing List 
    Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 5:14 PM
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The real rason Pattern flyers are seen asElitists...


    Fred,

      During the last rules cycles it was a topic of hot debate among the rules committee members - which included a very even balance of active flyers from all classes and all parts of the country.  As a matter of fact, a number of guys on that committee will attest to the fact that I (an FAI flyer) was one of the staunchest advocates for keeping Sportsman simple.  Mike Hester, John Pavlick and I butted heads quite a bit......and then had a blast hangin at the Tangerine this year.  The constant struggle/compromise with Sportsman and Intermediate is too have schedules appear interesting and remain achievable wi! th the majority of planes at the field on a given weekend.  It ain't easy to do, especially when all the classes need to link together to allow structured progressive development of flight skills and trimming through the classes.


    Dave





      -------------- Original message -------------- 
      From: "Fred Huber" <fhhuber at clearwire.net> 

      When someone who actually does start trying to fly Sportsman tries to give input on how to attract more people to Sportsman... the Elitist snobs who are flying Maters would rather nitpick on technicalities than listen to the real issue the relative beginner to the sport is trying to address.

      You ARE Elitists... 

      "Your plane must not be good enough... get a better one" IS NOT the correct response to a beginner to Sportsman saying the new sequence requires more performance than the old sequence.

      You want to attract people... you are certainly doing the EXACT wrong thing.  And when its pointed out... you attack the messenger for telling you about it.

      I'm about ready to scrape the NSRCA logos off my model... 


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