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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mike....you haven't butted heads with me
yet......it would be like hitting solid granite.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Pete</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=kerlock@comcast.net href="mailto:kerlock@comcast.net">Mike Hester</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 08, 2007 5:46</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The real
rason Pattern flyers are seenasElitists...</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Boy did we EVER butt heads! (Huh huh....huh huh
huh he said "butt heads"...)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am pretty sure I've butted heads with just
about everyone at some point....but all you have to do is put it all in
perspective and realize that we can disagree all day, even REALLY heated, and
at the end of it all we're still after the same thing.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And over time, I've seen that I was wrong about
some things, and pointed them out, and right about others, and in the end it
doesn't matter. I'm REALLY high strung and until people meet me they can
easily take something I type the wrong way. I understand that
fully.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Like Dave stated, Fred your passion is
appreciated....don't ever think it's not. But I'd be careful about calling
people out as "snobs" too quickly. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And for what it's worth, if Dave hadn't "won"
that arguement about the difficulty level in sportsman and intermediate, the
schedules would be a lot tougher. After seeing it flown in competition for the
first time in a nasty crosswind last month, guess what? Dave was right! (In
truth I think we ended up with a compromise, but it's a lot closer to what
Dave was thinking than what we were thinking).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Some of mine and Troy Newman's arguements were
nothing short of "epic". And yet as far as I know, we get along fine (Troy may
still have a Mikey voodoo doll that he sets on fire and torments, I don't know
LOL). And Troy is welcome around me any time, any place. Just like practically
everyone else.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'd say the classic "can't we all just get
along", but in reality, we DO!!!! But we're going to argue and debate stuff,
because we're pretty darned passionate about it all too. It's toy planes at
the end of the day, but we love it and that's why we get animated over it.
</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now my epoxy is cured so I'm going to get back to
business here =)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Mike</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=DaveL322@comcast.net
href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 08, 2007 5:14
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The
real rason Pattern flyers are seen asElitists...</DIV>
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<DIV>Fred,</DIV>
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<DIV> During the last rules cycles it was a topic of hot debate among
the rules committee members - which included a very even balance of active
flyers from all classes and all parts of the country. As a matter of
fact, a number of guys on that committee will attest to the fact that I (an
FAI flyer) was one of the staunchest advocates for keeping Sportsman
simple. Mike Hester, John Pavlick and I butted heads quite a
bit......and then had a blast hangin at the Tangerine this year. The
constant struggle/compromise with Sportsman and Intermediate is too have
schedules appear interesting and remain achievable wi! th the majority of
planes at the field on a given weekend. It ain't easy to do,
especially when all the classes need to link together to allow structured
progressive development of flight skills and trimming through the
classes.</DIV>
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<DIV>Dave</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>When someone who actually does start trying to fly
Sportsman tries to give input on how to attract more people to
Sportsman... the Elitist snobs who are flying Maters would rather nitpick
on technicalities than listen to the real issue the relative beginner to
the sport is trying to address.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>You ARE Elitists... </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>"Your plane must not be good enough... get a better one"
IS NOT the correct response to a beginner to Sportsman saying the new
sequence requires more performance than the old sequence.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>You want to attract people... you are certainly doing
the EXACT wrong thing. And when its pointed out... you attack the
messenger for telling you about it.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>I'm about ready to scrape the NSRCA logos off my
model... </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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