[NSRCA-discussion] bored... ? WHY.? I don't understand..

Fri Jan 5 15:01:48 AKST 2007

Here!  Here!  Dennis.  I agree.  If pattern is declining in some areas, it
isn’t because of the equipment. It’s the promotion~~~  and de-evolving isn’t
going to help.  As a newbie, the fellowship and help you folks as pattern
flyers provided  in D8 and D7 committed me to pattern.  It certainly wasn’t
because it was cheap and easy.  

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dennis
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:06 AM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] bored... ? WHY.? I don't understand..

Let me get this clear. Some of you want to tell me that I have to fly the
same plane as everyone else. By making everything the same then that will
promote pattern? Sounds like a typical liberal view to me. The day I am not
able to make my own decision as to which type of plane I can fly will be the
day I quit pattern. I am sure some would like to take it all the way to
having to use the same fuel in a particular class so no one particular
individual would have an advantage due to nitro and oil content. 

If you are paying $2.000 for a kit then you are shopping in the wrong
places. There are domestic kits that are just as capable and allow you to
control the weight and the construction that are a fraction of that cost. Of
course then you would have had to develop some building skills at some time.
I have built every pattern plane I have flown and when I started pattern I
flew basic sport planes. While not competitive, neither was I until I had
some time under my belt. This took a couple of years. Then I was ready to
build my first pattern ship.  

If this ruffles some feathers then so be it. I just hope those who are
promoting these ideas are in the minority. This is just my feeling regarding
this subject and I approved this message.   

Dennis Cone

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Fred Huber
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 9:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] bored... ? WHY.? I don't understand..

I would like to see the one design rule... if the design can be met at
reasonable cost.  MY comments about what happened with Quickie 500 were to
point out that one design does not imply that people won't go to the expense
to make that design with exotic materials (when wood will work) in persuit
of every advantage possible.

An example of what might be seen:

 (using a four Star 60 as the design...)

Sportsman level... the one-desing models would probably all be the wood
(economy) version with supplied control hardware.  OS .61 FX would be
popular.

Intermediate level you'd see some people replacing the alumnum landing gear
with fiberglass of CF to save weight... the pushrods get replaced to get rid
of the thermal expansion issue. OS .91 FS-II

Advanced would not be getting the ARF any more... they'd get the kit so they
could lighten ribs, take out some dihedral..  Some fuselage structure
enhancement with Kevlar TOW or CF strips... YS 110

Masters would replace the lite ply with a CF and foam composite when
building the fuselage to save weight and make the structure more rigid. YS
140

The planes woould all look the same (except the engine sticking out and prop
size) meeting the one design limit (Four Star 60.. span and shapes)  But to
meet the rules and gain every advantage possible the higher level
competitors would push every limit to the max.

If you picked the Sig King Kobra as the one design... I'd expect stock kits
at Sportsman and planes with no original parts out of the kit box at
Masters.  And I wouldn't see anything wrong with that.

I WOULD see it as being wrong to specify a model that required the flyer to
buy a $2000 composite airframe kit plus a $500 engine to try Sportsman....

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Taking the Pylon analogy a bit further...

Pylon racers don't seem to ever get bored with turning left....  They only
change the course for safety of the pylon judges because the cages needed to
protect the judge at one of the pylons in a 3-pole course were proven to not
be able to stop a model. (by a model smashing through a cage)  

They DON'T change the tasks in other contest events to prevent boredom....
Only in Aerobatics do the task lists change on any kind of regular basis.

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From: HYPERLINK "mailto:drykert2 at rochester.rr.com"Del K. Rykert 

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Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 10:13 AM

Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] bored... ? WHY.? I don't understand..

Can someone help me understand the mind set that in the past has driven the
NSRCA to change the schedules because of the "I'm Bored" complaint? 

I have been flying pattern for 30 years and have never attained I am bored
feeling in any classes I have flown. From Novice to Masters and even FAI.
Never did I get to a point of feeling bored. Does one become so proficient
at the maneuvers they know how to handle every weather variable and every
mechanical issue of trimming that leads to the boredom?  I never have been
there and done that. 

Maybe those that do become bored change homes and cars every couple of years
because of their character. If that is the case is that helping our hurting
the NSRCA? I find that many enjoy some sensible stability and not have to
resort to I haven't flown the new sequences yet so can't attend this
contest.  I can't count how many times I have heard this statement and it
does hurt contest attendance. If the leaders truly want to encourage and
foster growth then this mind set has to change. 

As I previously stated, stop driving away the casual competitor and cater to
the sportsmen, intermediate, and advanced classes and not let the train be
directed by the mind set of the Masters and FAI flyers. 

When I suggested a reduced fee for NSRCA members at local contest it was
erroneously assumed by me that the C.D. or contest manager would
re-structure the fees so the same amount of funds would be generated to
create a price break for those that support. Majority of C.D. and contest
Managers are NSRCA members so not all but many could set the example if they
chose to. 

Some mention a one class design like that is a bad thing. A couple of my
friends left the pattern scene after trying to promote the one design
concept as they saw the immense disparity that existed and didn't want to
participate in such a biased event anymore.

Glad to see some are thinking outside the box and willing to explore some
serious options to help address the issues facing the NSRCA.

                     Del 
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