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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Here! Here! Dennis. I
agree. If pattern is declining in some areas, it isn’t because of the
equipment. It’s the promotion~~~ and de-evolving isn’t going
to help. As a newbie, the fellowship and help you folks as pattern flyers
provided in D8 and D7 committed me to pattern. It certainly wasn’t
because it was cheap and easy. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Dennis<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, January 05, 2007
11:06 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
bored... ? WHY.? I don't understand..</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle19><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Let me get this clear. Some of you want to tell me
that I have to fly the same plane as everyone else. By making everything the
same then that will promote pattern? Sounds like a typical liberal view to me.
The day I am not able to make my own decision as to which type of plane I can
fly will be the day I quit pattern. I am sure some would like to take it all
the way to having to use the same fuel in a particular class so no one
particular individual would have an advantage due to nitro and oil content. <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle19><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>If you are paying $2.000 for a kit then you are
shopping in the wrong places. There are domestic kits that are just as capable
and allow you to control the weight and the construction that are a fraction of
that cost. Of course then you would have had to develop some building skills at
some time. I have built every pattern plane I have flown and when I started
pattern I flew basic sport planes. While not competitive, neither was I until I
had some time under my belt. This took a couple of years. Then I was ready to
build my first pattern ship. <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle19><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>If this ruffles some feathers then so be it. I just
hope those who are promoting these ideas are in the minority. This is just my
feeling regarding this subject and I approved this message. <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle19><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Dennis Cone<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Fred Huber<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, January 05, 2007
9:46 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
bored... ? WHY.? I don't understand..</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>I would like
to see the one design rule... if the design can be met at reasonable
cost. MY comments about what happened with Quickie 500 were to point out
that one design does not imply that people won't go to the expense to make that
design with exotic materials (when wood will work) in persuit of every
advantage possible.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>An example of
what might be seen:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> (using
a four Star 60 as the design...)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Sportsman
level... the one-desing models would probably all be the wood (economy) version
with supplied control hardware. OS .61 FX would be popular.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Intermediate
level you'd see some people replacing the alumnum landing gear with fiberglass
of CF to save weight... the pushrods get replaced to get rid of the thermal
expansion issue. OS .91 FS-II</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Advanced
would not be getting the ARF any more... they'd get the kit so they could
lighten ribs, take out some dihedral.. Some fuselage structure
enhancement with Kevlar TOW or CF strips... YS 110</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Masters would
replace the lite ply with a CF and foam composite when building the fuselage to
save weight and make the structure more rigid. YS 140</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>The planes
woould all look the same (except the engine sticking out and prop size) meeting
the one design limit (Four Star 60.. span and shapes) But to meet
the rules and gain every advantage possible the higher level competitors would
push every limit to the max.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>If you picked
the Sig King Kobra as the one design... I'd expect stock kits at Sportsman and
planes with no original parts out of the kit box at Masters. And I
wouldn't see anything wrong with that.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>I WOULD see
it as being wrong to specify a model that required the flyer to buy a $2000
composite airframe kit plus a $500 engine to try Sportsman....</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>**************</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Taking the
Pylon analogy a bit further...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Pylon racers
don't seem to ever get bored with turning left.... They only change the
course for safety of the pylon judges because the cages needed to protect the
judge at one of the pylons in a 3-pole course were proven to not be able to
stop a model. (by a model smashing through a cage) </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>They DON'T
change the tasks in other contest events to prevent boredom.... Only in
Aerobatics do the task lists change on any kind of regular basis.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>----- Original Message
----- </span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> <a href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com"
title="drykert2@rochester.rr.com">Del K. Rykert</a> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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border:none;padding:0in'><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a> </span></font><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
border:none;padding:0in'><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> Friday, January 05, 2007 10:13 AM</span></font><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
border:none;padding:0in'><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> [NSRCA-discussion] bored... ? WHY.? I don't understand..</span></font><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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border:none;padding:0in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
border:none;padding:0in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Can someone help me
understand the mind set that in the past has driven the NSRCA to change the
schedules because of the "I'm Bored" complaint? </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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border:none;padding:0in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
border:none;padding:0in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I have been flying pattern
for 30 years and have never attained I am bored feeling in any classes I have
flown. From Novice to Masters and even FAI. Never did I get to a point of
feeling bored. Does one become so proficient at the maneuvers they know how to
handle every weather variable and every mechanical issue of trimming that leads
to the boredom? I never have been there and done that. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
border:none;padding:0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
border:none;padding:0in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Maybe those that do
become bored change homes and cars every couple of years because of their
character. If that is the case is that helping our hurting the NSRCA? I find
that many enjoy some sensible stability and not have to resort to I haven't
flown the new sequences yet so can't attend this contest. I can't count
how many times I have heard this statement and it does hurt contest attendance.
If the leaders truly want to encourage and foster growth then this mind set has
to change. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
border:none;padding:0in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
border:none;padding:0in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>As I previously
stated, stop driving away the casual competitor and cater to the sportsmen,
intermediate, and advanced classes and not let the train be directed by the
mind set of the Masters and FAI flyers. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
border:none;padding:0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
border:none;padding:0in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>When I suggested a
reduced fee for NSRCA members at local contest it was erroneously assumed by me
that the C.D. or contest manager would re-structure the fees so the same amount
of funds would be generated to create a price break for those that support.
Majority of C.D. and contest Managers are NSRCA members so not all but many
could set the example if they chose to. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
border:none;padding:0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
border:none;padding:0in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Some mention a one class
design like that is a bad thing. A couple of my friends left the pattern scene
after trying to promote the one design concept as they saw the immense
disparity that existed and didn't want to participate in such a biased event
anymore.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
border:none;padding:0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
border:none;padding:0in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Glad to see some are
thinking outside the box and willing to explore some serious options to help
address the issues facing the NSRCA.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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