[NSRCA-discussion] bored... ? WHY.? I don't understand..

Fri Jan 5 16:57:29 AKST 2007

Yep, that's where it all starts.....   At the local club levels, where people have to be introduced to ways of improving their flying skills....  It takes
someone who has the skills and knowledge, but also the ability and drive to take the time to help others...  We, as pattern flyers didn't do it all
on our own, there was someone mentoring...  maybe it wasn't until we started competing, but there was guideance somewhere along the line!!!!
That's what it takes...  Once you get em hooked, you reel em in!!!!   As far as equipment, most local club members don't even realize the value of good servos, and what it does for their planes abilities...  We have to start teaching the rewards of improved flight...  Even if it's not for competition,
the abilitiy to improve one's skills makes boring holes in the sky much more fun....   
Somewhere along that line, we'll pick up more competitors!!!!
This talk of making us fly smaller, cheaper planes makes me want to buy a 63' Volkswagon Beetle and go NASCAR racing!!!!!
Hey Dennis....  YOU GO, GIRLFRIEND!!!!

Rex
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: JFGREEN<mailto:jf217green at cmc.net> 
  To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
  Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] bored... ? WHY.? I don't understand..

  Here!  Here!  Dennis.  I agree.  If pattern is declining in some areas, it isn’t because of the equipment. It’s the promotion~~~  and de-evolving isn’t going to help.  As a newbie, the fellowship and help you folks as pattern flyers provided  in D8 and D7 committed me to pattern.  It certainly wasn’t because it was cheap and easy.  

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  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dennis
  Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:06 AM
  To: NSRCA Mailing List
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] bored... ? WHY.? I don't understand..

  Let me get this clear. Some of you want to tell me that I have to fly the same plane as everyone else. By making everything the same then that will promote pattern? Sounds like a typical liberal view to me. The day I am not able to make my own decision as to which type of plane I can fly will be the day I quit pattern. I am sure some would like to take it all the way to having to use the same fuel in a particular class so no one particular individual would have an advantage due to nitro and oil content. 

  If you are paying $2.000 for a kit then you are shopping in the wrong places. There are domestic kits that are just as capable and allow you to control the weight and the construction that are a fraction of that cost. Of course then you would have had to develop some building skills at some time. I have built every pattern plane I have flown and when I started pattern I flew basic sport planes. While not competitive, neither was I until I had some time under my belt. This took a couple of years. Then I was ready to build my first pattern ship.  

  If this ruffles some feathers then so be it. I just hope those who are promoting these ideas are in the minority. This is just my feeling regarding this subject and I approved this message.   

  Dennis Cone

  -----Original Message-----
  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Fred Huber
  Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 9:46 AM
  To: NSRCA Mailing List
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] bored... ? WHY.? I don't understand..

  I would like to see the one design rule... if the design can be met at reasonable cost.  MY comments about what happened with Quickie 500 were to point out that one design does not imply that people won't go to the expense to make that design with exotic materials (when wood will work) in persuit of every advantage possible.

  An example of what might be seen:

   (using a four Star 60 as the design...)

  Sportsman level... the one-desing models would probably all be the wood (economy) version with supplied control hardware.  OS .61 FX would be popular.

  Intermediate level you'd see some people replacing the alumnum landing gear with fiberglass of CF to save weight... the pushrods get replaced to get rid of the thermal expansion issue. OS .91 FS-II

  Advanced would not be getting the ARF any more... they'd get the kit so they could lighten ribs, take out some dihedral..  Some fuselage structure enhancement with Kevlar TOW or CF strips... YS 110

  Masters would replace the lite ply with a CF and foam composite when building the fuselage to save weight and make the structure more rigid. YS 140

  The planes woould all look the same (except the engine sticking out and prop size) meeting the one design limit (Four Star 60.. span and shapes)  But to meet the rules and gain every advantage possible the higher level competitors would push every limit to the max.

  If you picked the Sig King Kobra as the one design... I'd expect stock kits at Sportsman and planes with no original parts out of the kit box at Masters.  And I wouldn't see anything wrong with that.

  I WOULD see it as being wrong to specify a model that required the flyer to buy a $2000 composite airframe kit plus a $500 engine to try Sportsman....

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  Taking the Pylon analogy a bit further...

  Pylon racers don't seem to ever get bored with turning left....  They only change the course for safety of the pylon judges because the cages needed to protect the judge at one of the pylons in a 3-pole course were proven to not be able to stop a model. (by a model smashing through a cage)  

  They DON'T change the tasks in other contest events to prevent boredom.... Only in Aerobatics do the task lists change on any kind of regular basis.

  ----- Original Message ----- 

  From: Del K. Rykert<mailto:drykert2 at rochester.rr.com> 

  To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 

  Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 10:13 AM

  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] bored... ? WHY.? I don't understand..

  Can someone help me understand the mind set that in the past has driven the NSRCA to change the schedules because of the "I'm Bored" complaint? 

  I have been flying pattern for 30 years and have never attained I am bored feeling in any classes I have flown. From Novice to Masters and even FAI.  Never did I get to a point of feeling bored. Does one become so proficient at the maneuvers they know how to handle every weather variable and every mechanical issue of trimming that leads to the boredom?  I never have been there and done that. 

  Maybe those that do become bored change homes and cars every couple of years because of their character. If that is the case is that helping our hurting the NSRCA? I find that many enjoy some sensible stability and not have to resort to I haven't flown the new sequences yet so can't attend this contest.  I can't count how many times I have heard this statement and it does hurt contest attendance. If the leaders truly want to encourage and foster growth then this mind set has to change. 

  As I previously stated, stop driving away the casual competitor and cater to the sportsmen, intermediate, and advanced classes and not let the train be directed by the mind set of the Masters and FAI flyers. 

  When I suggested a reduced fee for NSRCA members at local contest it was erroneously assumed by me that the C.D. or contest manager would re-structure the fees so the same amount of funds would be generated to create a price break for those that support. Majority of C.D. and contest Managers are NSRCA members so not all but many could set the example if they chose to. 

  Some mention a one class design like that is a bad thing. A couple of my friends left the pattern scene after trying to promote the one design concept as they saw the immense disparity that existed and didn't want to participate in such a biased event anymore.

  Glad to see some are thinking outside the box and willing to explore some serious options to help address the issues facing the NSRCA.

                       Del 
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