[NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question

[Ken Thompson]

I'm curious to see the timing method to corroborate the 1.25 second timeframe...
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  From: Randy hatfield 
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  Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 7:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question


  It was interesting watching him fly it during a round I was not judging.  The stick was moving back and forth as fast as it could be moved.  I felt he was flying in a style to make it hard to find errors; not a manner to present all the elements.  But can you really prove that.

  Interesting comments.  As the judge it is your decision to make.

  Randy  


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    From: Gene Maurice 
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    Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 5:47 PM
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    I the case you mention I would agree. The maneuver is a half square with a 2 of 4 point. The point roll is but a single point and only one element of the maneuver. In the case of the four point roll, miss one I would SIGNIFICANTLY downgrade, 5-6 points, miss more than one then it's a zero. Because 1) multiple major errors, 2) it's no longer the defined maneuver. I made and assumption in my statement that multiple points were missed. 

     

    As someone else stated, I'd like to see the pilot that could execute a 1.25 second 4 point poll correctly. Then I'd like to meet the judge that could actually ascertain that all of the elements necessary were present and executed correctly. The point I was trying to make is that it is the pilot's responsibility to show the elements of the maneuver. As a judge, if you didn't clearly see it, it didn't happen, ergo it becomes a missed element of the maneuver. 

    Gene Maurice
    gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
    Plano, TX
    AMA 3408, NSRCA 877


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    From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Lisa & Larry
    Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:07 PM
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    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question

     

    Last year I scored a zero for not hesitating on a point roll in a ½ square w/ 2/4 point. The pilot approached me and asked about the zero. In our discussion the pilot asked if I blinked. I couldn't rule out that I may have but I didn't see the hesitation and I could score it as such. After talking to a couple of folks, I learned that a zero isn't warranted on the basis of -no hesitation- for a point roll. After talking with the CD I did correct my score based on the rule outlined on page RCA-20 for Rolls, note 4. Pretty close to the same wording as last year. I wanted to make sure I scored it correctly based on what I saw.

     

    So I learned two things on that day.One, make sure I don't blink when judging point rolls.Two, not hesitating on a point rolls is not a zero although it should be a severe downgrade of 5 or more points.

     

    Larry

     


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    From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Gene Maurice
    Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 1:38 PM
    To: randy10926 at comtekmail.com; 'NSRCA Mailing List'
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question

     

    If the points are so fast as to make it indiscernible what angle they occurred at, then I would tend to doubt whether the point occurred at all. Score 0. It is the pilot's responsibility to present the maneuver in such a manner to demonstrate that the maneuver has in fact been done according to the rules. I sincerely doubt that a 4 point can be done in 1.25 seconds with defined stops in the roll every 90 degrees. But it remains that if, as a judge, you cannot clearly see the relevant elements of any maneuver being performed, then you should assume that IT HAS NOT been performed. The elements must be demonstrated not assumed. 

     

    Don Ramsey, can you clarify?

     

    Gene Maurice
    gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
    Plano, TX
    AMA 3408, NSRCA 877


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    From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Hatfield
    Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:24 AM
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    Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question

     

    Ok time to get back to our favorite list questions.

    This comes from a real life judging problem.  The question is about the 4-point roll.  This what I am seeing.  A 4 point roll that takes less than 1.25 second to complete.  You can see 4 very short pauses.  The manever appears to be centered.  I see no change in height or coming in or out.  It appears to be between 150M and 175M.  But the pauses are so short that I cannot really tell if the rolls between pauses are 90 degrees.  So I cannot see what the 1 point per 15 degree down grade should be.


    What would you do?


    Randy



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