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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm curious to see the timing method to corroborate
the 1.25 second timeframe...</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=randy10926@comtekmail.com
href="mailto:randy10926@comtekmail.com">Randy hatfield</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 28, 2007 7:57
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It was interesting watching him fly it during a
round I was not judging. The stick was moving back and forth as fast as
it could be moved. I felt he was flying in a style to make it hard to
find errors; not a manner to present all the elements. But can you
really prove that.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Interesting comments. As the judge it is
your decision to make.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Randy </FONT></DIV>
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<A title=gene.maurice@sgmservice.com
href="mailto:gene.maurice@sgmservice.com">Gene Maurice</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 28, 2007 5:47
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging
Question</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I the case you
mention I would agree. The maneuver is a half square with a 2 of 4 point.
The point roll is but a single point and only one element of the maneuver.
In the case of the four point roll, miss one I would SIGNIFICANTLY
downgrade, 5-6 points, miss more than one then it’s a zero. Because 1)
multiple major errors, 2) it’s no longer the defined maneuver. I made and
assumption in my statement that multiple points were missed.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">As someone else
stated, I’d like to see the pilot that could execute a 1.25 second 4 point
poll correctly. Then I’d like to meet the judge that could actually
ascertain that all of the elements necessary were present and executed
correctly. The point I was trying to make is that it is the pilot’s
responsibility to show the elements of the maneuver. As a judge, if you
didn’t clearly see it, it didn’t happen, ergo it becomes a missed element of
the maneuver. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">Gene
Maurice<BR>gene.maurice@sgmservice.com<BR><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Plano</st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on">TX</st1:State></st1:place><BR>AMA 3408, NSRCA
877</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Lisa &
Larry<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday,
February 28, 2007 4:07 PM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName>'<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging
Question</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Last year I scored
a zero for not hesitating on a point roll in a ½ square w/ 2/4 point. The
pilot approached me and asked about the zero. In our discussion the pilot
asked if I blinked. I couldn’t rule out that I may have but I didn’t see the
hesitation and I could score it as such. After talking to a couple of folks,
I learned that a zero isn’t warranted on the basis of -no hesitation- for a
point roll. After talking with the CD I did correct my score based on the
rule outlined on page RCA-20 for Rolls, note 4. Pretty close to the same
wording as last year. I wanted to make sure I scored it correctly based on
what I saw.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So I learned two
things on that day…One, make sure I don’t blink when judging point
rolls…Two, not hesitating on a point rolls is not a zero although it should
be a severe downgrade of 5 or more points.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Larry<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Gene Maurice<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, February 28, 2007 1:38
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">randy10926@comtekmail.com</st1:PersonName>; '<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName>'<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging
Question</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If the points are
so fast as to make it indiscernible what angle they occurred at, then I
would tend to doubt whether the point occurred at all. Score 0. It is the
pilot’s responsibility to present the maneuver in such a manner to
demonstrate that the maneuver has in fact been done according to the rules.
I sincerely doubt that a 4 point can be done in 1.25 seconds with defined
stops in the roll every 90 degrees. But it remains that if, as a judge, you
cannot clearly see the relevant elements of any maneuver being performed,
then you should assume that IT HAS NOT been performed. The elements must be
demonstrated not assumed. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Don Ramsey, can you
clarify?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">Gene
Maurice<BR>gene.maurice@sgmservice.com<BR><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Plano</st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on">TX</st1:State></st1:place><BR>AMA 3408, NSRCA
877</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Glenn Hatfield<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, February 28, 2007
10:24 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> nsrca-discuss
list <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>
[NSRCA-discussion] Judging Question</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ok time to get back to our
favorite list questions.<BR><BR>This comes from a real life judging
problem. The question is about the 4-point roll. This what I am
seeing. A 4 point roll that takes less than 1.25 second to
complete. You can see 4 very short pauses. The manever appears
to be centered. I see no change in height or coming in or out.
It appears to be between 150M and 175M. But the pauses are so short
that I cannot really tell if the rolls between pauses are 90 degrees.
So I cannot see what the 1 point per 15 degree down grade should
be.<BR><BR><BR>What would you
do?<BR><BR><BR>Randy<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV>
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