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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT color=#0000ff>For some reason it never made
it through apparently</FONT>. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> <EM><FONT
color=#800000>Del</FONT></EM></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi Doug..</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I concur and don't mean to infer
that at all.. What I am attempting to do is to make more people realize
that some decisions are made only to make it more interesting for themselves
or their perception for the other people that come to compete at a contest.
Course we are only addressing those that at least make the effort to show and
support contests. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT color=#0000ff>What I am stating, I have
heard repeatedly over the years heard that many, including some of my
friends, have not attended contests because of another new change in schedule,
weather has been bad when they do have window to get out and still haven't
flown a gallon of fuel for the new competition season. They refuse to make the
expense in time and money when they still haven't checked their equipment let
alone their reflexes honed to show up at a contest. Winning or being 3rd is
not the issues. Doing fairly well by their own standards they set for
themselves is. Work/family/weather all play a factor. When the
competition group is driving for the majority of the most competitive of the
participants it leaves many of the casual competitors behind. Is that
what we truly want? If we are going to address increasing the numbers
that compete and possibly join the NSRCA if they don't have issues with the
organization then my opinion is we don't need to cater to the few who are the
most vocal about changes needed in the AMA classes... When was last time
anyone dropped out for lack of change.. Many have dropped out for not
being able to keep up.. My contention is that many of those causal
participants also help run contests and help bolster the numbers that compete
at contest.. When some clubs have to stop offering for lack of participants
then I say it needs looking at. End of my thoughts on that.</FONT>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> <EM><FONT
color=#800000>Del</FONT></EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT color=#800000></FONT></EM> </DIV>Original Message -----
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=drykert2@rochester.rr.com href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com">Del
K. Rykert</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 24, 2007 10:52
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Please read my other post on that
thought Matt.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> <EM> <FONT
color=#800000>Del</FONT></EM></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Matthew Frederick" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:mjfrederick@cox.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>mjfrederick@cox.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:21
PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Advancement</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> Casual competitors (such as myself, for now) by definition
probably will <BR>> never attain enough points to be forced up (except out
of Novice). The way I <BR>> see it, the casual competitor really doesn't
practice enough to win first <BR>> place every time out, but they practice
enough to make a decent showing. <BR>> They also probably don't make the
effort to go to more than 4 or 5 contests <BR>> a year. Probably finish in
the top 5, maybe sneak in a 3rd or 2nd every now <BR>> and then, but when
you're only beating 3-5 people each time out, the points <BR>> don't add up
all that fast. I myself am toying with moving up to Advanced <BR>> just to
fly a different pattern, that and I can do a better slow roll than I <BR>>
can do 2 horizontals. I don't think pattern chases away "casual <BR>>
competitors," they just eventually begin to blend in with everyone else who
<BR>> has Cool Power 30% Heli running through their veins (no offense to
the <BR>> electric guys... but be all have electrons bouncing around
inside). If <BR>> someone is chased off because they didn't want to move up
the "competitor" <BR>> part of that term does not apply.<BR>> <BR>>
Matt<BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Anthony
Romano" <</FONT><A href="mailto:anthonyr105@hotmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>anthonyr105@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>
To: <</FONT><A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 4:45 PM<BR>> Subject:
[NSRCA-discussion] Advancement<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>> Just a casual
thought here since things have taken a much more civil
tone.<BR>>><BR>>> How many "casual competitors" have we chase away
with the advancement rule<BR>>> vs how many "Sandbaggers" have been
prevented.<BR>>><BR>>> My thinking is drop it all together!
Everybody in the pool!<BR>>><BR>>>
Anthony<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>>From: Mark Atwood <</FONT><A
href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <</FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>To: NSRCA Mailing List <</FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Fwd:
Proposal]<BR>>>>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:19:01
-0400<BR>>>><BR>>>>I think this really only speaks to not
being forced to move up. Period.<BR>>>>Del is making the point
that it has to stay "fun" for more than just
the<BR>>>>top<BR>>>>guys.<BR>>>><BR>>>>We
have a number in our district that have "Fun" being a
casual<BR>>>>competitor...I'll bet most districts do. They ALL fly
masters. Why?<BR>>>>Because they can camp there. They are
serious enough, or have time <BR>>>>enough,<BR>>>>or talent
enough to have fun at that level. Most can win a round here
and<BR>>>>there, some win regularly, some don't , all have
fun.<BR>>>><BR>>>>The problem is that we don't have the same
group for Advanced. Those that<BR>>>>have a little less time, a
little less talent, etc. They have fun until<BR>>>>they point
out...and then someone pushes them to Masters where they
really<BR>>>>don't belong and they quit. Can't move back, and
don't have fun bringing<BR>>>>up<BR>>>>the bottom ALWAYS in
masters.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Same is true of Intemediate. There are
those that would stay there happily<BR>>>>until pattern
retirement. They'd win some, lose some, watch others
pass<BR>>>>them by, but at no time are they comfortable flying
advanced. Etc etc
<BR>>>>etc.<BR>>>><BR>>>>We've beat this to
death. Unfortunately someone out there is scared of
<BR>>>>the<BR>>>>almight "Sandbagger" that's going to suck
up allll the valuable hardware <BR>>>>in<BR>>>>a lower class
because they suck to much to beat them. THAT person is
the<BR>>>>one we should not be catering
too...<BR>>>><BR>>>>-Mark<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>On
8/23/07 4:23 PM, "</FONT><A href="mailto:seefo@san.rr.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>seefo@san.rr.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:seefo@san.rr.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>seefo@san.rr.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>> > What exactly is a casual
competitor?<BR>>>> ><BR>>>> > I'm being serious here.
Someone who doesn't put in the time necessary<BR>>>> > to be at
their best cannot expect to win contests, and you certainly<BR>>>>
> cannot change the sport so these people CAN win. Most of us have
other<BR>>>> > things to do that take up our time. That's life. I
can't practice every<BR>>>> > day, but at the same time, I don't
expect Quique, Andrew, or Jason, or<BR>>>> > anyone else to make
concessions to me because they can and do put in<BR>>>> > the
time.<BR>>>> ><BR>>>> > A person who cannot devote the
time necessary to be at the top of their<BR>>>> > game, should
have enough character and intelligence to accept that<BR>>>> >
fact. At that point they have 3 choices.<BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
> 1) Compete and HAVE FUN at the level they can currently.<BR>>>>
> 2) Devote more time and energy to the competition and get
better.<BR>>>> > 3) Move on to something else.<BR>>>>
><BR>>>> > People need to remember that competition is, and
SHOULD BE unforgiving<BR>>>> > of excuses.<BR>>>>
><BR>>>> > -Doug<BR>>>> ><BR>>>>
><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> > ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>>> > From: "Del K. Rykert" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>drykert2@rochester.rr.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>> > Date: Thursday, August 23, 2007 12:38
pm<BR>>>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Fwd:
Proposal]<BR>>>> > To: NSRCA Mailing List <</FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>> ><BR>>>> >> These are all great
but, I see nothing changing to stop driving<BR>>>> >> away the
casual competitor. If the organization and sport wants to<BR>>>>
>> truly grow that area is long overdue. We need their numbers
and<BR>>>> >> help at fielding contests.<BR>>>>
>><BR>>>> >> Del<BR>>>>
><BR>>>> >
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