[NSRCA-discussion] [Fwd: Proposal]
John Gayer
jgghome at comcast.net
Thu Aug 23 13:14:12 AKDT 2007
Del,
Make a proposal to add to the list. The list I put out there is not closed.
I can only think that we should always be inclusive at the field and
the contests. Make the guy who comes out to one contest a year feel a
part of the group. Take the time to watch him fly and push some
suggestions at him on how to improve.
John
Del K. Rykert wrote:
> These are all great but, I see nothing changing to stop driving away
> the casual competitor. If the organization and sport wants to truly
> grow that area is long overdue. We need their numbers and help at
> fielding contests.
>
> /Del// /
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Robert L. Beaubien <mailto:rob at koolsoft.com>
> *To:* NSRCA Mailing List <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:42 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Fwd: Proposal]
>
> Richard / John, See my comments inline.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
> richard wallace
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 7:28 PM
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Fwd: Proposal]
>
>
>
> > Gotta say though, I'm just not a fan of a national database for
>
> > recording Pattern results. I don't really understand what
> problem this
>
> > is intended to fix.
>
>
>
> *If I read what John proposed correctly, this is to give
> additional value and incentive to being a NSRCA member. Being
> able to participate in a nationwide ranking system is appealing to
> me.*
>
>
>
> > Of course, I'm in the apparent minority that believes that our
> current
>
> > self-policing system of advancement points is fine, ESPECIALLY now
>
> > that points only count for four years. ...
>
>
>
> *I agree with you. I think peer pressure to keep people from
> Sandbagging is the best medicine and forced promotions is not
> needed. *
>
>
>
> > 2. I don't know that I'd be really interested in seeing my 'national
>
> > ranking' -- I've found out enough at the Nats the past several
>
> > years... and 37/44 in Masters tells me enough about where I
> stand... !
>
>
>
> *I know I would be interested in my "national" rank as I try to
> progress through the classes.*
>
>
>
> > and one more thing - do we have any volunteers for setting up and
>
> > adminstering this national system? That's not a trivial question or
>
> > issue, especially in a world where (at least some) NSRCA
> officers are
>
> > in their positions not because they sought the job in order to be in
>
> > charge of stuff, but because there was a necessary job to be
> done, and
>
> > no one else was willing to step up to do it... I do the Champs
>
> > standings for my District and mostly enjoy it, but it IS a manual
>
> > process. Understand about hooks to automated scoring systems like
>
> > PACSS, but it'll still take initial work and sustainment and then
>
> > fixes to keep it going at the national level... and there are still
>
> > places around the country that still do contest scoring manually...
>
>
>
> *I would be interested in volunteering my services towards this
> endeavor. What would be needed would be a standardized scoring
> program used by all CD's that has upload capabilities to a server,
> and a website to present the information to the members. As a
> software developer, it is a project I would like to participate in
> if it were to see the light of day. I would also be willing to
> donate the bandwidth and servers necessary to make this happen.*
>
>
>
> > Agree about helping Sportsman and maybe Intermediates be mentored at
>
> > contests- we usually don't have a formal system for that, and more
>
> > would certainly be better.
>
>
>
> *This already happens to a great extent in D7. When I showed up
> at a pattern contest, Troy Newman took it upon himself to mentor
> me and I feel very lucky to have his experience to guide me. A
> formal rule/suggestion/whatever towards this end is certainly not
> a bad thing.*
>
>
>
> Also am in violent agreement about the need to grow Pattern at the
>
> grass-roots level one new guy at a time - and most of us need to plow
>
> that field more thoroughly too.
>
>
>
> Good stuff - keep it coming!
>
>
>
>
>
> - Robert Beaubien
>
> - AMA #618061
>
> - NSRCA #4121
>
> -
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
>
> > From: John Gayer
>
> > To: NSRCA Mailing List
>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 7:12 PM
>
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] [Fwd: Proposal]
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I'd like to present three proposals that might appeal to a few
> if not the
>
> > many....
>
> > Modified from the original proposal . Apparently not many saw
> it. The first
>
> > one has been added
>
> > Comments?
>
> > John
>
> > NSRCA 632
>
> >
>
> > Revive the practice of assigning mentors to Sportsman and
> Intermediate
>
> > flyers
>
> >
>
> > At contests, assign an experienced competitor to mentor, call
> and advise the
>
> > Sportsman/ Intermediate flyers. This is nothing new, but should
> be a part of
>
> > every contest. We should try to provide a connection that will
> last past the
>
> > contest.
>
> > As I see it, there are four issues that drasticaly affect the
> ability of
>
> > these flyers to compete effectively: aircraft trimming,
> execessive throws,
>
> > wings level and centering(also known as flying the airplane, not
> letting the
>
> > airplane fly you).
>
> > These flyers have shown the initiative to come out and compete.
> We owe them
>
> > (and ourselves) all the help we can throw at them.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Create a National Database for Pattern
>
> >
>
> > The database must contain the raw scores of all flights for all
> competitors
>
> > by class. The only thing normalized scores are good for is
> finding the right
>
> > finish order for each class at a contest. Raw scores are much
> better for
>
> > comparing results even at a contest. For example I finish round
> one with a
>
> > 930 and round two with a 985, both to competitor A. Now did I
> fly a lot
>
> > better in round two(I thought I did) or did competitor A flop a
> stall turn
>
> > in the figure M in round 2.
>
> > Anyway once you have the raw scores by competitor and class, you
> can do the
>
> > following:
>
> >
>
> > Create a National Ranking for each class based on average points per
>
> > maneuver. Once this is in place and on line, we will have a
> reason for
>
> > pattern competitors to join NSRCA. you can't tell me that there
> wouldn't be
>
> > a lot of interest in seeing who is hot around the country and
> how you stack
>
> > up against the competition. I know, the judging isn't always
> equal but
>
> > that's always been true and we have to live with it.
>
> > The data available on each competitor would include contests
> entered,
>
> > placing, advance points earned. The districts could extract
> whatever data is
>
> > required to ascertain the district champions. We could archive
> previous
>
> > years as well.
>
> > Other ways to specify advancement in class become available,
> percentage of
>
> > average FAI score, even eventually moving the 10 top-rated
> pilots up a
>
> > class. Possibilities are endless when you have the data.
>
> > Since the database would only be open to NSRCA members, if you
> want to track
>
> > your National standing, joining NSRCA would be a must. If you
> want to see
>
> > what the guy nobody heard of that just rolled in from out of
> district has
>
> > accomplished, look him up. We've been looking for reasons to
> join NSRCA, I
>
> > feel this is one that could be big and would be worth some
> investment in
>
> > time and money. I would be willing to help with such a project
> although I
>
> > don't feel like I could take it on by myself.
>
> >
>
> > Redirect the focus to our international team competition through
>
> > modification of the advancement system
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Modify the advancement process to be consistent through all
> classes from
>
> > Sportsman through to F3A. See section two for possible
> advancement criteria
>
> > Advancement can be forced by the advancement criteria(see
> section 2) or
>
> > voluntary.
>
> > The first year in a new and higher class is an option year. At
> the end of
>
> > the option year you can downselect one class for any reason.
> This has the
>
> > advantage of being able to try out the higher class for a year
> without
>
> > committing your entire pattern career. If you discover that the
> next class
>
> > is beyond your means( time, money or talent) then you option
> down the
>
> > following year. If you absolutely refuse to fly your new class,
> then perhaps
>
> > you could use the time and money to reintroduce your self to
> your wife,
>
> > girlfriend, etc. If you need a goal for the year, focus on
> making your
>
> > rudder commands instinctive, learn to fly a helicopter, learn to
> fly rolling
>
> > circles. You would probably come back a better pattern flyer
> than when you
>
> > left.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
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