[NSRCA-discussion] Nose-Rings: O-ring replacement forCHnosering?

Thu Aug 9 05:29:05 AKDT 2007

Following up on the nose-ring thread.  This is pesky little piece of
necessary equipment.  If the nose-ring is too tight, all kinds of funny
things will happen with bolts shaking out, or maybe the nose-ring mounts
breaking.  Before I really clued into the CH nose-ring not allowing
rotation as it should, the nose-ring bolts were backing out every 3rd
flight and would rub the spinner backplate.  After this happens a few
times the 4-40 thread would not be good and it would need drilling out
in favor of passing through the 4-40 and using lock nuts.  However the
locknuts wouldn't seat correctly because of the angle of the bevel - IE
there is not enough spacing from the 4-40 holes to where the bevel
begins to allow for a washer, or just even a lock nut to seat properly
against the flat spot of the ring.  

I recognize there are fixes to it but will go ahead and try the
nose-ring seen at this link from Jerry's website:
http://www.buddengineering.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Produc
t_Code=NRSWNR&Category_Code=P

This nose-ring is more similar to our old favorite from Clayton Foster,
and has a nice flat section where you can use a washer and locknut to
secure it to the plane.

Also, I have 3 YS 160's.  All of them had too tight of a fit to allow
the nose-ring to work properly.  I had made some NR out of 1/8" plywood
and lined them with split fuel tubing as the best way to get the proper
acting nose-ring.  However, given some shortness of time and such, it is
nice to buy the product that fits right from the start so I am going to
try the nose-ring depicted on the front of this assembly from Jerry.

Thanks,

Jim W.

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Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:53 AM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Nose-Rings: O-ring replacement
forCHnosering?

I use 3/16" rubber sheet from McMaster Carr. Cost was around 8 bux for a
1 foot square sheet as I recall. I have not had one fail yet (about 6
years now) but I have used them in 2 stroke applications, all the way up
to a 2.10 cu in. The typical weight of one of these is around 6-8 grams.
I also intend to use the technique for my new ZDZ40 F3A

Matt

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
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Sent: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:08 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Nose-Rings: O-ring replacement
forCHnosering?

What a great idea!  It appeals to my inner Scot.  My mother was born in
Scotland. 

What's the thickness of the rubber sheet stock? 

Ron Van Putte

On Aug 8, 2007, at 9:33 PM, rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote:

For those inclined to get "primitive" as Jim put it, here's what has
worked for me:

I use a tool designed for circle cuts mounted in a drill press, to cut
the ID in rubber sheet stock. I measure the engine's front block and
then adjust the tool to give me the exact cut. 

The sheet is then cut in the form of a nose ring in my band saw, leaving
about 3/16" edge all around, and "ears" at the mounting locations. Takes
about 15 minutes of work and voila, the exact fit one needs and the
whole thing is made of rubber

MattK

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Hester <kerlock at comcast.net>
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Sent: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:43 am
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Nose-Rings: O-ring replacement
forCHnosering?

Well after Vaughn told me the same thing, I mic-ed the 2 motors I had
and they are indeed different, that's why there is no standard O ring
that makes it all happy. So, a few minutes with a dremel and a lot of
patience seems to be the answer. Just keep it round =)

On that same note, I made the mistake early on of using the nose ring
as-is. It may as well had been hard mounted. Everything on the plane
shook loose....screws, adjusters, rattled the antenna out of the tube,
you name it. Cost me a set of servos before I had that conversation and
fixed it.

"Don't be that guy"....LOL 

-Mike

	----- Original Message ----- 

	From: Woodward, Jim <mailto:jim.woodward at baesystems.com>  

	To: NSRCA Mailing List <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

	Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:36 PM

	Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Nose-Rings: O-ring replacement
forCHnosering?

	Thanks Mike,

	I can get primitive on the O-ring :-)   I was hoping for a
McMaster Carr P/N.  If I find one, I think it would be a good idea for
Central to supply two sizes of O-rings with unit to ensure it fits the
motors.

	Thanks,

	Jim

	From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
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<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org?> ] On Behalf Of Mike
Hester
	Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:32 PM
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	Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Nose-Rings: O-ring replacement
for CHnosering?

	After much discussion, trial and error, the "fix" to this is to
gently remove material from the O ring with a dremel and large drum
sander, until it is a slip fit. You don't want it sloppy, but it should
slide on and off without having to force it. Install with some lithium
grease and you're all set! I've had to do a ton like this.

	-Mike

		----- Original Message ----- 

		From: Woodward, Jim <mailto:jim.woodward at baesystems.com>

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<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  

		Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:26 PM

		Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Nose-Rings: O-ring
replacement for CH nosering?

		Hi Guys,

		A while back Clayton Foster was making the CFE
nose-rings and they always seemed to fit perfectly - snug but allows the
engine to still rock back and forth.  I understand now that he is no
longer making them, and that the Central Hobbies Nose-ring was supposed
to be a replacement for it.  I have had several of the CH nose-rings and
they fit so tightly as to form nearly a welded lock of the rubber to the
motor.  I'm not opposed to making my own nose-rings, but I actually like
the idea of being able to purchase something and use it once in a while
too.  

		Has anyone found a P/N or different size O-ring to make
these units fit the YS correctly?  After just speaking to Vaughn, he
felt that the YS dimensional variances were too much to deal with so
they shot for the middle ground.  If anyone has spec'd or tried a new
o-ring for this device and could pass it along that would be great.

		Thanks,

		Jim

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