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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Following up on the nose-ring thread.
This is pesky little piece of necessary equipment. If the nose-ring is too
tight, all kinds of funny things will happen with bolts shaking out, or maybe
the nose-ring mounts breaking. Before I really clued into the CH nose-ring not
allowing rotation as it should, the nose-ring bolts were backing out every 3<sup>rd</sup>
flight and would rub the spinner backplate. After this happens a few times the
4-40 thread would not be good and it would need drilling out in favor of
passing through the 4-40 and using lock nuts. However the locknuts wouldn’t
seat correctly because of the angle of the bevel – IE there is not enough
spacing from the 4-40 holes to where the bevel begins to allow for a washer, or
just even a lock nut to seat properly against the flat spot of the ring. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I recognize there are fixes to it but will
go ahead and try the nose-ring seen at this link from Jerry’s website: <a
href="http://www.buddengineering.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NRSWNR&Category_Code=P">http://www.buddengineering.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NRSWNR&Category_Code=P</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>This nose-ring is more similar to our old favorite
from Clayton Foster, and has a nice flat section where you can use a washer and
locknut to secure it to the plane.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Also, I have 3 YS 160’s. All of them had
too tight of a fit to allow the nose-ring to work properly. I had made some NR
out of 1/8” plywood and lined them with split fuel tubing as the best way to
get the proper acting nose-ring. However, given some shortness of time and
such, it is nice to buy the product that fits right from the start so I am
going to try the nose-ring depicted on the front of this assembly from Jerry.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Jim</span></font></st1:PersonName><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> W.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>rcmaster199@aol.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, August 09, 2007
7:53 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Nose-Rings: O-ring replacement forCHnosering?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I use 3/16" rubber
sheet from McMaster Carr. Cost was around 8 bux for a 1 foot square sheet
as I recall. I have not had one fail yet (about 6 years now) but I have used
them in 2 stroke applications, all the way up to a 2.10 cu in. The typical
weight of one of these is around 6-8 grams. I also intend to use the technique
for my new ZDZ40 F3A<br>
<br>
Matt<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte@cox.net><br>
To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName>
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Sent: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:08 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Nose-Rings: O-ring replacement forCHnosering?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>What a great idea! It appeals to my inner Scot. My mother
was born in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Scotland</st1:place></st1:country-region>.
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>What's the thickness of the rubber sheet stock? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Ron Van Putte<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Aug 8, 2007, at 9:33 PM, <a href="mailto:rcmaster199@aol.com">rcmaster199@aol.com</a>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>For those inclined to get "primitive" as <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Jim</st1:PersonName> put it, here's what has worked for me:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I use a tool designed for circle cuts mounted in a drill press, to cut
the ID in rubber sheet stock. I measure the engine's front block and then
adjust the tool to give me the exact cut. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The sheet is then cut in
the form of a nose ring in my band saw, leaving about 3/16" edge all
around, and "ears" at the mounting locations. Takes about 15 minutes
of work and voila, the exact fit one needs and the whole thing is made of rubber<br>
<br>
MattK<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Mike Hester <<a href="mailto:kerlock@comcast.net">kerlock@comcast.net</a>><br>
To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName> <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
Sent: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:43 am<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Nose-Rings: O-ring replacement forCHnosering?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Well after Vaughn told me the same thing, I mic-ed the 2
motors I had and they are indeed different, that's why there is no standard O
ring that makes it all happy. So, a few minutes with a dremel and a lot of
patience seems to be the answer. Just keep it round =)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>On that same note, I made the mistake early on of using the
nose ring as-is. It may as well had been hard mounted. Everything on the plane
shook loose....screws, adjusters, rattled the antenna out of the tube, you name
it. Cost me a set of servos before I had that conversation and fixed it.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>"Don't be that guy"....LOL </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com" title="jim.woodward@baesystems.com">Woodward,
Jim</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Wednesday, August
08, 2007 12:36 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Nose-Rings: O-ring replacement forCHnosering?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks Mike,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I can get primitive on the O-ring </span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Wingdings><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Wingdings;color:navy'>J</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> I was hoping
for a McMaster Carr P/N. If I find one, I think it would be a good idea
for Central to supply two sizes of O-rings with unit to ensure it fits the
motors.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Jim</span></font></st1:PersonName><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Mike Hester<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, August 08, 2007
12:32 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Nose-Rings: O-ring replacement for CHnosering?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>After much discussion, trial and error, the "fix"
to this is to gently remove material from the O ring with a dremel and large
drum sander, until it is a slip fit. You don't want it sloppy, but it should
slide on and off without having to force it. Install with some lithium grease
and you're all set! I've had to do a ton like this.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:jim.woodward@baesystems.com" title="jim.woodward@baesystems.com">Woodward,
Jim</a> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
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08, 2007 12:26 PM</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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Nose-Rings: O-ring replacement for CH nosering?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Hi Guys,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>A while back Clayton Foster was making the CFE nose-rings
and they always seemed to fit perfectly – snug but allows the engine to still
rock back and forth. I understand now that he is no longer making them,
and that the Central Hobbies Nose-ring was supposed to be a replacement for
it. I have had several of the CH nose-rings and they fit so tightly as to
form nearly a welded lock of the rubber to the motor. I’m not opposed to
making my own nose-rings, but I actually like the idea of being able to purchase
something and use it once in a while too. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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that the YS dimensional variances were too much to deal with so they shot for the
middle ground. If anyone has spec’d or tried a new o-ring for this device
and could pass it along that would be great.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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