[NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction

Sun Apr 8 06:52:26 AKDT 2007

   Vertical and inverted landings are graded on the Richter scale - Yes I 
speak from experience.  I once received a 8.5 on the Richter scale for a 
almost perfect landing.
Paul
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction


> Hmmmm.  If a pilot says he's going to land vertically, or inverted,
> is his landing downgraded?  Where's Don Ramsey?
>
> Ron Van Putte
>
> On Apr 7, 2007, at 8:21 PM, Paul Horan wrote:
>
>> Lance,
>>     This is not a problem since Sportsman fliers some times change
>> landing
>> direction and land vertically rather than horicontally.
>> Paul
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lance Van Nostrand" <patterndude at tx.rr.com>
>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 6:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
>>
>>
>>> I haven't seen the problem in contests I've been to.  Generally
>>> the CD will
>>> declare takeoff direction is pilots option, if the winds are
>>> light/variable
>>> and the field and contest can tolerate it.  Otherwise a direction of
>>> takeoff
>>> is stated and followed.  This can happen on a calm day if the CD
>>> prefers
>>> the
>>> uniformity of it.  The only time the proposed scenario would occur
>>> is if
>>> the
>>> permission is there to fly either direction, which is not that
>>> often.  If
>>> it
>>> is in place, then someone could possibly change landing direction
>>> unecessarily, but since most contests have a defined manuver
>>> direction and
>>> there is no requirement to let someone land downwind, any pilot
>>> planning
>>> on
>>> this game will find themselves burned over time.  On the other
>>> hand, if
>>> this
>>> helps a sportsman enjoy his day (and many sportsman are not traveling
>>> competitors) then is this really a problem?
>>>
>>> --Lance
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jerry Stebbins" <JAStebbins at worldnet.att.net>
>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
>>>
>>>
>>>> Mark, interesting, and very astute observation. Now you do not
>>>> need to
>>>> guess
>>>> why it was initiated!!! The reasons/rationale stated were only
>>>> developed
>>>> to
>>>> sell it. Same thing happened once before--"no scores for Takeoff and
>>>> Landings".It now has gone full circle and the purported rationale
>>>> has
>>>> finally been overcome by common sense and "facts".
>>>> Jerry
>>>> Jerry
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mark Atwood" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:47 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I think my only annoyance with all of this is number of times I
>>>>> have
>>>>> watched
>>>>> pilots purposely take off down wind in a "mild" wind because it
>>>>> allowed
>>>>> them
>>>>> to fly their preferred direction only to cry "SAFETY" when the wind
>>>>> picked
>>>>> up and suddenly their choice of direction isn't so desirable.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think anyone questions a major wind shift during a
>>>>> flight should
>>>>> be
>>>>> allowed some variance in making a landing.  But let's face
>>>>> it...those
>>>>> times
>>>>> are few and far between. The real issue is the quartering cross
>>>>> wind
>>>>> that's
>>>>> shifting slightly from upwind to downwind, where the pilot picks
>>>>> his
>>>>> preference for take off and his pattern, rather than thinking
>>>>> about the
>>>>> landing.
>>>>>
>>>>> -M
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/6/07 2:39 PM, "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As a pilot I always feel the ultimate decision rests with the
>>>>>> pilot.  I
>>>>>> would ask permission to land the opposite way but if not given
>>>>>> and felt
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> was a safety issue to land downwind I would take the zero and
>>>>>> land the
>>>>>> reverse direction. Smarter to be safe and go home with an intact
>>>>>> airplane
>>>>>> then to land and force a mishap. Having said that, it also forces
>>>>>> greater
>>>>>> responsibility on the pilot to make sure he isn't conflicting with
>>>>>> opposing
>>>>>> traffic if he so chooses to land into the wind and causes a
>>>>>> mishap by
>>>>>> reversing direction. So the decision is not to be taken lightly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Del
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: <randy9004 at comcast.net>
>>>>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:35 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does the pilot/caller get to decide if the wind has changed
>>>>>>> directions?
>>>>>>> Does a judge need to agree?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Randy
>>>>>>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>>>>>>> From: "Don Ramsey" <donramsey at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To those who read my March Kfactor article, I seem to have
>>>>>>>> mistated
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> intent
>>>>>>>> of the new landing direction rule.  After re-reading the
>>>>>>>> intent of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> rule, it
>>>>>>>> seems the rule was put in to allow a change of landing
>>>>>>>> direction only
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> a wind
>>>>>>>> change.  This is implied in the new rule.  The landing direction
>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>> be in the direciton of takeoff unless the wind changes to a
>>>>>>>> direction
>>>>>>>> that would
>>>>>>>> cause a downwind landing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks to all who brought this to my attention.
>>>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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