[NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction

Sun Apr 8 07:39:51 AKDT 2007

Downgraded for the presence of reusable parts?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Horan" <paul.horan at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction

>   Vertical and inverted landings are graded on the Richter scale - Yes I
> speak from experience.  I once received a 8.5 on the Richter scale for a
> almost perfect landing.
> Paul
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 9:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
>
>
>> Hmmmm.  If a pilot says he's going to land vertically, or inverted,
>> is his landing downgraded?  Where's Don Ramsey?
>>
>> Ron Van Putte
>>
>> On Apr 7, 2007, at 8:21 PM, Paul Horan wrote:
>>
>>> Lance,
>>>     This is not a problem since Sportsman fliers some times change
>>> landing
>>> direction and land vertically rather than horicontally.
>>> Paul
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Lance Van Nostrand" <patterndude at tx.rr.com>
>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 6:15 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
>>>
>>>
>>>> I haven't seen the problem in contests I've been to.  Generally
>>>> the CD will
>>>> declare takeoff direction is pilots option, if the winds are
>>>> light/variable
>>>> and the field and contest can tolerate it.  Otherwise a direction of
>>>> takeoff
>>>> is stated and followed.  This can happen on a calm day if the CD
>>>> prefers
>>>> the
>>>> uniformity of it.  The only time the proposed scenario would occur
>>>> is if
>>>> the
>>>> permission is there to fly either direction, which is not that
>>>> often.  If
>>>> it
>>>> is in place, then someone could possibly change landing direction
>>>> unecessarily, but since most contests have a defined manuver
>>>> direction and
>>>> there is no requirement to let someone land downwind, any pilot
>>>> planning
>>>> on
>>>> this game will find themselves burned over time.  On the other
>>>> hand, if
>>>> this
>>>> helps a sportsman enjoy his day (and many sportsman are not traveling
>>>> competitors) then is this really a problem?
>>>>
>>>> --Lance
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Jerry Stebbins" <JAStebbins at worldnet.att.net>
>>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:19 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Mark, interesting, and very astute observation. Now you do not
>>>>> need to
>>>>> guess
>>>>> why it was initiated!!! The reasons/rationale stated were only
>>>>> developed
>>>>> to
>>>>> sell it. Same thing happened once before--"no scores for Takeoff and
>>>>> Landings".It now has gone full circle and the purported rationale
>>>>> has
>>>>> finally been overcome by common sense and "facts".
>>>>> Jerry
>>>>> Jerry
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mark Atwood" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>>>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:47 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think my only annoyance with all of this is number of times I
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> watched
>>>>>> pilots purposely take off down wind in a "mild" wind because it
>>>>>> allowed
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> to fly their preferred direction only to cry "SAFETY" when the wind
>>>>>> picked
>>>>>> up and suddenly their choice of direction isn't so desirable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think anyone questions a major wind shift during a
>>>>>> flight should
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> allowed some variance in making a landing.  But let's face
>>>>>> it...those
>>>>>> times
>>>>>> are few and far between. The real issue is the quartering cross
>>>>>> wind
>>>>>> that's
>>>>>> shifting slightly from upwind to downwind, where the pilot picks
>>>>>> his
>>>>>> preference for take off and his pattern, rather than thinking
>>>>>> about the
>>>>>> landing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -M
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/6/07 2:39 PM, "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a pilot I always feel the ultimate decision rests with the
>>>>>>> pilot.  I
>>>>>>> would ask permission to land the opposite way but if not given
>>>>>>> and felt
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> was a safety issue to land downwind I would take the zero and
>>>>>>> land the
>>>>>>> reverse direction. Smarter to be safe and go home with an intact
>>>>>>> airplane
>>>>>>> then to land and force a mishap. Having said that, it also forces
>>>>>>> greater
>>>>>>> responsibility on the pilot to make sure he isn't conflicting with
>>>>>>> opposing
>>>>>>> traffic if he so chooses to land into the wind and causes a
>>>>>>> mishap by
>>>>>>> reversing direction. So the decision is not to be taken lightly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Del
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: <randy9004 at comcast.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:35 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does the pilot/caller get to decide if the wind has changed
>>>>>>>> directions?
>>>>>>>> Does a judge need to agree?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Randy
>>>>>>>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>>>>>>>> From: "Don Ramsey" <donramsey at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To those who read my March Kfactor article, I seem to have
>>>>>>>>> mistated
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> intent
>>>>>>>>> of the new landing direction rule.  After re-reading the
>>>>>>>>> intent of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> rule, it
>>>>>>>>> seems the rule was put in to allow a change of landing
>>>>>>>>> direction only
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> a wind
>>>>>>>>> change.  This is implied in the new rule.  The landing direction
>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>>> be in the direciton of takeoff unless the wind changes to a
>>>>>>>>> direction
>>>>>>>>> that would
>>>>>>>>> cause a downwind landing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks to all who brought this to my attention.
>>>>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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