[NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction

Sat Apr 7 18:33:04 AKDT 2007

Yeah Ron
I may want to call change direction on the stall-spin if the wind changes
direction.

Jim Ivey
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction

> Hmmmm.  If a pilot says he's going to land vertically, or inverted,
> is his landing downgraded?  Where's Don Ramsey?
>
> Ron Van Putte
>
> On Apr 7, 2007, at 8:21 PM, Paul Horan wrote:
>
> > Lance,
> >     This is not a problem since Sportsman fliers some times change
> > landing
> > direction and land vertically rather than horicontally.
> > Paul
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lance Van Nostrand" <patterndude at tx.rr.com>
> > To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 6:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
> >
> >
> >> I haven't seen the problem in contests I've been to.  Generally
> >> the CD will
> >> declare takeoff direction is pilots option, if the winds are
> >> light/variable
> >> and the field and contest can tolerate it.  Otherwise a direction of
> >> takeoff
> >> is stated and followed.  This can happen on a calm day if the CD
> >> prefers
> >> the
> >> uniformity of it.  The only time the proposed scenario would occur
> >> is if
> >> the
> >> permission is there to fly either direction, which is not that
> >> often.  If
> >> it
> >> is in place, then someone could possibly change landing direction
> >> unecessarily, but since most contests have a defined manuver
> >> direction and
> >> there is no requirement to let someone land downwind, any pilot
> >> planning
> >> on
> >> this game will find themselves burned over time.  On the other
> >> hand, if
> >> this
> >> helps a sportsman enjoy his day (and many sportsman are not traveling
> >> competitors) then is this really a problem?
> >>
> >> --Lance
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Jerry Stebbins" <JAStebbins at worldnet.att.net>
> >> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:19 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
> >>
> >>
> >>> Mark, interesting, and very astute observation. Now you do not
> >>> need to
> >>> guess
> >>> why it was initiated!!! The reasons/rationale stated were only
> >>> developed
> >>> to
> >>> sell it. Same thing happened once before--"no scores for Takeoff and
> >>> Landings".It now has gone full circle and the purported rationale
> >>> has
> >>> finally been overcome by common sense and "facts".
> >>> Jerry
> >>> Jerry
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Mark Atwood" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> >>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >>> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:47 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I think my only annoyance with all of this is number of times I
> >>>> have
> >>>> watched
> >>>> pilots purposely take off down wind in a "mild" wind because it
> >>>> allowed
> >>>> them
> >>>> to fly their preferred direction only to cry "SAFETY" when the wind
> >>>> picked
> >>>> up and suddenly their choice of direction isn't so desirable.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't think anyone questions a major wind shift during a
> >>>> flight should
> >>>> be
> >>>> allowed some variance in making a landing.  But let's face
> >>>> it...those
> >>>> times
> >>>> are few and far between. The real issue is the quartering cross
> >>>> wind
> >>>> that's
> >>>> shifting slightly from upwind to downwind, where the pilot picks
> >>>> his
> >>>> preference for take off and his pattern, rather than thinking
> >>>> about the
> >>>> landing.
> >>>>
> >>>> -M
> >>>>
> >>>> On 4/6/07 2:39 PM, "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> As a pilot I always feel the ultimate decision rests with the
> >>>>> pilot.  I
> >>>>> would ask permission to land the opposite way but if not given
> >>>>> and felt
> >>>>> it
> >>>>> was a safety issue to land downwind I would take the zero and
> >>>>> land the
> >>>>> reverse direction. Smarter to be safe and go home with an intact
> >>>>> airplane
> >>>>> then to land and force a mishap. Having said that, it also forces
> >>>>> greater
> >>>>> responsibility on the pilot to make sure he isn't conflicting with
> >>>>> opposing
> >>>>> traffic if he so chooses to land into the wind and causes a
> >>>>> mishap by
> >>>>> reversing direction. So the decision is not to be taken lightly.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     Del
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: <randy9004 at comcast.net>
> >>>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:35 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Does the pilot/caller get to decide if the wind has changed
> >>>>>> directions?
> >>>>>> Does a judge need to agree?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Randy
> >>>>>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> >>>>>> From: "Don Ramsey" <donramsey at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> To those who read my March Kfactor article, I seem to have
> >>>>>>> mistated
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> intent
> >>>>>>> of the new landing direction rule.  After re-reading the
> >>>>>>> intent of
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> rule, it
> >>>>>>> seems the rule was put in to allow a change of landing
> >>>>>>> direction only
> >>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>> a wind
> >>>>>>> change.  This is implied in the new rule.  The landing direction
> >>>>>>> should
> >>>>>>> always
> >>>>>>> be in the direciton of takeoff unless the wind changes to a
> >>>>>>> direction
> >>>>>>> that would
> >>>>>>> cause a downwind landing.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks to all who brought this to my attention.
> >>>>>>> Don
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
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