[NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction

Sat Apr 7 19:10:19 AKDT 2007

It does Keith, Jim's messin' with ya';-)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Hoard" <khoard at gmail.com>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction


> What does the wind direction have to do with the plane stalling or
> spinning?  (Don't make RVP explain the "downwind turn"!!)
>
> I thought that once you take off, that determines every maneuver's
> direction except landing.
>
>
> On 4/7/07, jivey61 at bellsouth.net <jivey61 at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> Keith
>> Next when the wind changes direction and the plane won't stall-spin can I
>> call "change direction"......Last time it was do not judge TO and 
>> landings.
>> Now it's which way do I want to land.
>> I think a big wind is blowing. .....and another can of worms is open.
>>
>> Jim Ivey
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Keith Hoard" <khoard at gmail.com>
>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
>>
>>
>> > What if I'm flying at a field where obstacles or other factors cause
>> > me to be more comfortable landing in one direction and I may want to
>> > accept a slight tailwind to avoid those obstacles?
>> >
>> > Why shouldn't the PIC (Pilot In Command) of the airplane be able to
>> > freely choose takeoff and landing direction without explanation as
>> > long as it doesn't cause a conflict with other airplanes?
>> >
>> > On 4/7/07, Paul Horan <paul.horan at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> > > Lance,
>> > >    This is not a problem since Sportsman fliers some times change
>> landing
>> > > direction and land vertically rather than horicontally.
>> > > Paul
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Lance Van Nostrand" <patterndude at tx.rr.com>
>> > > To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> > > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 6:15 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > >I haven't seen the problem in contests I've been to.  Generally the 
>> > > >CD
>> will
>> > > > declare takeoff direction is pilots option, if the winds are
>> > > > light/variable
>> > > > and the field and contest can tolerate it.  Otherwise a direction 
>> > > > of
>> > > > takeoff
>> > > > is stated and followed.  This can happen on a calm day if the CD
>> prefers
>> > > > the
>> > > > uniformity of it.  The only time the proposed scenario would occur 
>> > > > is
>> if
>> > > > the
>> > > > permission is there to fly either direction, which is not that 
>> > > > often.
>> If
>> > > > it
>> > > > is in place, then someone could possibly change landing direction
>> > > > unecessarily, but since most contests have a defined manuver 
>> > > > direction
>> and
>> > > > there is no requirement to let someone land downwind, any pilot
>> planning
>> > > > on
>> > > > this game will find themselves burned over time.  On the other 
>> > > > hand,
>> if
>> > > > this
>> > > > helps a sportsman enjoy his day (and many sportsman are not 
>> > > > traveling
>> > > > competitors) then is this really a problem?
>> > > >
>> > > > --Lance
>> > > >
>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > From: "Jerry Stebbins" <JAStebbins at worldnet.att.net>
>> > > > To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:19 PM
>> > > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >> Mark, interesting, and very astute observation. Now you do not 
>> > > >> need
>> to
>> > > >> guess
>> > > >> why it was initiated!!! The reasons/rationale stated were only
>> developed
>> > > >> to
>> > > >> sell it. Same thing happened once before--"no scores for Takeoff 
>> > > >> and
>> > > >> Landings".It now has gone full circle and the purported rationale 
>> > > >> has
>> > > >> finally been overcome by common sense and "facts".
>> > > >> Jerry
>> > > >> Jerry
>> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
>> > > >> From: "Mark Atwood" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>> > > >> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> > > >> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:47 PM
>> > > >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>>I think my only annoyance with all of this is number of times I 
>> > > >>>have
>> > > >>>watched
>> > > >>> pilots purposely take off down wind in a "mild" wind because it
>> allowed
>> > > >>> them
>> > > >>> to fly their preferred direction only to cry "SAFETY" when the 
>> > > >>> wind
>> > > >>> picked
>> > > >>> up and suddenly their choice of direction isn't so desirable.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> I don't think anyone questions a major wind shift during a flight
>> should
>> > > >>> be
>> > > >>> allowed some variance in making a landing.  But let's face
>> it...those
>> > > >>> times
>> > > >>> are few and far between. The real issue is the quartering cross 
>> > > >>> wind
>> > > >>> that's
>> > > >>> shifting slightly from upwind to downwind, where the pilot picks 
>> > > >>> his
>> > > >>> preference for take off and his pattern, rather than thinking 
>> > > >>> about
>> the
>> > > >>> landing.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> -M
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> On 4/6/07 2:39 PM, "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>> As a pilot I always feel the ultimate decision rests with the
>> pilot.  I
>> > > >>>> would ask permission to land the opposite way but if not given 
>> > > >>>> and
>> felt
>> > > >>>> it
>> > > >>>> was a safety issue to land downwind I would take the zero and 
>> > > >>>> land
>> the
>> > > >>>> reverse direction. Smarter to be safe and go home with an intact
>> > > >>>> airplane
>> > > >>>> then to land and force a mishap. Having said that, it also 
>> > > >>>> forces
>> > > >>>> greater
>> > > >>>> responsibility on the pilot to make sure he isn't conflicting 
>> > > >>>> with
>> > > >>>> opposing
>> > > >>>> traffic if he so chooses to land into the wind and causes a 
>> > > >>>> mishap
>> by
>> > > >>>> reversing direction. So the decision is not to be taken lightly.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>     Del
>> > > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > > >>>> From: <randy9004 at comcast.net>
>> > > >>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> > > >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:35 PM
>> > > >>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>> Does the pilot/caller get to decide if the wind has changed
>> > > >>>>> directions?
>> > > >>>>> Does a judge need to agree?
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Randy
>> > > >>>>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>> > > >>>>> From: "Don Ramsey" <donramsey at gmail.com>
>> > > >>>>>> To those who read my March Kfactor article, I seem to have
>> mistated
>> > > >>>>>> the
>> > > >>>>>> intent
>> > > >>>>>> of the new landing direction rule.  After re-reading the 
>> > > >>>>>> intent
>> of
>> > > >>>>>> the
>> > > >>>>>> rule, it
>> > > >>>>>> seems the rule was put in to allow a change of landing 
>> > > >>>>>> direction
>> only
>> > > >>>>>> for
>> > > >>>>>> a wind
>> > > >>>>>> change.  This is implied in the new rule.  The landing 
>> > > >>>>>> direction
>> > > >>>>>> should
>> > > >>>>>> always
>> > > >>>>>> be in the direciton of takeoff unless the wind changes to a
>> direction
>> > > >>>>>> that would
>> > > >>>>>> cause a downwind landing.
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> Thanks to all who brought this to my attention.
>> > > >>>>>> Don
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>
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>> > Keith Hoard
>> > Collierville, TN
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