[NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction

Sat Apr 7 19:37:46 AKDT 2007

you been flying any Keith

>From: "Keith Hoard" <khoard at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
>Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 21:53:24 -0500
>
>What does the wind direction have to do with the plane stalling or
>spinning?  (Don't make RVP explain the "downwind turn"!!)
>
>I thought that once you take off, that determines every maneuver's
>direction except landing.
>
>
>On 4/7/07, jivey61 at bellsouth.net <jivey61 at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > Keith
> > Next when the wind changes direction and the plane won't stall-spin can 
>I
> > call "change direction"......Last time it was do not judge TO and 
>landings.
> > Now it's which way do I want to land.
> > I think a big wind is blowing. .....and another can of worms is open.
> >
> > Jim Ivey
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Keith Hoard" <khoard at gmail.com>
> > To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
> >
> >
> > > What if I'm flying at a field where obstacles or other factors cause
> > > me to be more comfortable landing in one direction and I may want to
> > > accept a slight tailwind to avoid those obstacles?
> > >
> > > Why shouldn't the PIC (Pilot In Command) of the airplane be able to
> > > freely choose takeoff and landing direction without explanation as
> > > long as it doesn't cause a conflict with other airplanes?
> > >
> > > On 4/7/07, Paul Horan <paul.horan at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > Lance,
> > > >    This is not a problem since Sportsman fliers some times change
> > landing
> > > > direction and land vertically rather than horicontally.
> > > > Paul
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Lance Van Nostrand" <patterndude at tx.rr.com>
> > > > To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 6:15 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >I haven't seen the problem in contests I've been to.  Generally the 
>CD
> > will
> > > > > declare takeoff direction is pilots option, if the winds are
> > > > > light/variable
> > > > > and the field and contest can tolerate it.  Otherwise a direction 
>of
> > > > > takeoff
> > > > > is stated and followed.  This can happen on a calm day if the CD
> > prefers
> > > > > the
> > > > > uniformity of it.  The only time the proposed scenario would occur 
>is
> > if
> > > > > the
> > > > > permission is there to fly either direction, which is not that 
>often.
> > If
> > > > > it
> > > > > is in place, then someone could possibly change landing direction
> > > > > unecessarily, but since most contests have a defined manuver 
>direction
> > and
> > > > > there is no requirement to let someone land downwind, any pilot
> > planning
> > > > > on
> > > > > this game will find themselves burned over time.  On the other 
>hand,
> > if
> > > > > this
> > > > > helps a sportsman enjoy his day (and many sportsman are not 
>traveling
> > > > > competitors) then is this really a problem?
> > > > >
> > > > > --Lance
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Jerry Stebbins" <JAStebbins at worldnet.att.net>
> > > > > To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:19 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> Mark, interesting, and very astute observation. Now you do not 
>need
> > to
> > > > >> guess
> > > > >> why it was initiated!!! The reasons/rationale stated were only
> > developed
> > > > >> to
> > > > >> sell it. Same thing happened once before--"no scores for Takeoff 
>and
> > > > >> Landings".It now has gone full circle and the purported rationale 
>has
> > > > >> finally been overcome by common sense and "facts".
> > > > >> Jerry
> > > > >> Jerry
> > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> From: "Mark Atwood" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> > > > >> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > > > >> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:47 PM
> > > > >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>I think my only annoyance with all of this is number of times I 
>have
> > > > >>>watched
> > > > >>> pilots purposely take off down wind in a "mild" wind because it
> > allowed
> > > > >>> them
> > > > >>> to fly their preferred direction only to cry "SAFETY" when the 
>wind
> > > > >>> picked
> > > > >>> up and suddenly their choice of direction isn't so desirable.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I don't think anyone questions a major wind shift during a 
>flight
> > should
> > > > >>> be
> > > > >>> allowed some variance in making a landing.  But let's face
> > it...those
> > > > >>> times
> > > > >>> are few and far between. The real issue is the quartering cross 
>wind
> > > > >>> that's
> > > > >>> shifting slightly from upwind to downwind, where the pilot picks 
>his
> > > > >>> preference for take off and his pattern, rather than thinking 
>about
> > the
> > > > >>> landing.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> -M
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On 4/6/07 2:39 PM, "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> As a pilot I always feel the ultimate decision rests with the
> > pilot.  I
> > > > >>>> would ask permission to land the opposite way but if not given 
>and
> > felt
> > > > >>>> it
> > > > >>>> was a safety issue to land downwind I would take the zero and 
>land
> > the
> > > > >>>> reverse direction. Smarter to be safe and go home with an 
>intact
> > > > >>>> airplane
> > > > >>>> then to land and force a mishap. Having said that, it also 
>forces
> > > > >>>> greater
> > > > >>>> responsibility on the pilot to make sure he isn't conflicting 
>with
> > > > >>>> opposing
> > > > >>>> traffic if he so chooses to land into the wind and causes a 
>mishap
> > by
> > > > >>>> reversing direction. So the decision is not to be taken 
>lightly.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>     Del
> > > > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >>>> From: <randy9004 at comcast.net>
> > > > >>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > > > >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:35 PM
> > > > >>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> Does the pilot/caller get to decide if the wind has changed
> > > > >>>>> directions?
> > > > >>>>> Does a judge need to agree?
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Randy
> > > > >>>>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > > > >>>>> From: "Don Ramsey" <donramsey at gmail.com>
> > > > >>>>>> To those who read my March Kfactor article, I seem to have
> > mistated
> > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>> intent
> > > > >>>>>> of the new landing direction rule.  After re-reading the 
>intent
> > of
> > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>> rule, it
> > > > >>>>>> seems the rule was put in to allow a change of landing 
>direction
> > only
> > > > >>>>>> for
> > > > >>>>>> a wind
> > > > >>>>>> change.  This is implied in the new rule.  The landing 
>direction
> > > > >>>>>> should
> > > > >>>>>> always
> > > > >>>>>> be in the direciton of takeoff unless the wind changes to a
> > direction
> > > > >>>>>> that would
> > > > >>>>>> cause a downwind landing.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Thanks to all who brought this to my attention.
> > > > >>>>>> Don
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>
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> > > Keith Hoard
> > > Collierville, TN
> > > khoard at gmail.com
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>khoard at gmail.com
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