[NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction

Sat Apr 7 18:53:34 AKDT 2007

What does the wind direction have to do with the plane stalling or
spinning?  (Don't make RVP explain the "downwind turn"!!)

I thought that once you take off, that determines every maneuver's
direction except landing.

On 4/7/07, jivey61 at bellsouth.net <jivey61 at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Keith
> Next when the wind changes direction and the plane won't stall-spin can I
> call "change direction"......Last time it was do not judge TO and landings.
> Now it's which way do I want to land.
> I think a big wind is blowing. .....and another can of worms is open.
>
> Jim Ivey
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith Hoard" <khoard at gmail.com>
> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
>
>
> > What if I'm flying at a field where obstacles or other factors cause
> > me to be more comfortable landing in one direction and I may want to
> > accept a slight tailwind to avoid those obstacles?
> >
> > Why shouldn't the PIC (Pilot In Command) of the airplane be able to
> > freely choose takeoff and landing direction without explanation as
> > long as it doesn't cause a conflict with other airplanes?
> >
> > On 4/7/07, Paul Horan <paul.horan at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > Lance,
> > >    This is not a problem since Sportsman fliers some times change
> landing
> > > direction and land vertically rather than horicontally.
> > > Paul
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Lance Van Nostrand" <patterndude at tx.rr.com>
> > > To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 6:15 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
> > >
> > >
> > > >I haven't seen the problem in contests I've been to.  Generally the CD
> will
> > > > declare takeoff direction is pilots option, if the winds are
> > > > light/variable
> > > > and the field and contest can tolerate it.  Otherwise a direction of
> > > > takeoff
> > > > is stated and followed.  This can happen on a calm day if the CD
> prefers
> > > > the
> > > > uniformity of it.  The only time the proposed scenario would occur is
> if
> > > > the
> > > > permission is there to fly either direction, which is not that often.
> If
> > > > it
> > > > is in place, then someone could possibly change landing direction
> > > > unecessarily, but since most contests have a defined manuver direction
> and
> > > > there is no requirement to let someone land downwind, any pilot
> planning
> > > > on
> > > > this game will find themselves burned over time.  On the other hand,
> if
> > > > this
> > > > helps a sportsman enjoy his day (and many sportsman are not traveling
> > > > competitors) then is this really a problem?
> > > >
> > > > --Lance
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jerry Stebbins" <JAStebbins at worldnet.att.net>
> > > > To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:19 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Mark, interesting, and very astute observation. Now you do not need
> to
> > > >> guess
> > > >> why it was initiated!!! The reasons/rationale stated were only
> developed
> > > >> to
> > > >> sell it. Same thing happened once before--"no scores for Takeoff and
> > > >> Landings".It now has gone full circle and the purported rationale has
> > > >> finally been overcome by common sense and "facts".
> > > >> Jerry
> > > >> Jerry
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "Mark Atwood" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> > > >> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > > >> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:47 PM
> > > >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>I think my only annoyance with all of this is number of times I have
> > > >>>watched
> > > >>> pilots purposely take off down wind in a "mild" wind because it
> allowed
> > > >>> them
> > > >>> to fly their preferred direction only to cry "SAFETY" when the wind
> > > >>> picked
> > > >>> up and suddenly their choice of direction isn't so desirable.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I don't think anyone questions a major wind shift during a flight
> should
> > > >>> be
> > > >>> allowed some variance in making a landing.  But let's face
> it...those
> > > >>> times
> > > >>> are few and far between. The real issue is the quartering cross wind
> > > >>> that's
> > > >>> shifting slightly from upwind to downwind, where the pilot picks his
> > > >>> preference for take off and his pattern, rather than thinking about
> the
> > > >>> landing.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -M
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On 4/6/07 2:39 PM, "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> As a pilot I always feel the ultimate decision rests with the
> pilot.  I
> > > >>>> would ask permission to land the opposite way but if not given and
> felt
> > > >>>> it
> > > >>>> was a safety issue to land downwind I would take the zero and land
> the
> > > >>>> reverse direction. Smarter to be safe and go home with an intact
> > > >>>> airplane
> > > >>>> then to land and force a mishap. Having said that, it also forces
> > > >>>> greater
> > > >>>> responsibility on the pilot to make sure he isn't conflicting with
> > > >>>> opposing
> > > >>>> traffic if he so chooses to land into the wind and causes a mishap
> by
> > > >>>> reversing direction. So the decision is not to be taken lightly.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>     Del
> > > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >>>> From: <randy9004 at comcast.net>
> > > >>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > > >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:35 PM
> > > >>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Does the pilot/caller get to decide if the wind has changed
> > > >>>>> directions?
> > > >>>>> Does a judge need to agree?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Randy
> > > >>>>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > > >>>>> From: "Don Ramsey" <donramsey at gmail.com>
> > > >>>>>> To those who read my March Kfactor article, I seem to have
> mistated
> > > >>>>>> the
> > > >>>>>> intent
> > > >>>>>> of the new landing direction rule.  After re-reading the intent
> of
> > > >>>>>> the
> > > >>>>>> rule, it
> > > >>>>>> seems the rule was put in to allow a change of landing direction
> only
> > > >>>>>> for
> > > >>>>>> a wind
> > > >>>>>> change.  This is implied in the new rule.  The landing direction
> > > >>>>>> should
> > > >>>>>> always
> > > >>>>>> be in the direciton of takeoff unless the wind changes to a
> direction
> > > >>>>>> that would
> > > >>>>>> cause a downwind landing.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Thanks to all who brought this to my attention.
> > > >>>>>> Don
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
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Keith Hoard
Collierville, TN
khoard at gmail.com