[NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction

Sat Apr 7 18:30:37 AKDT 2007

Keith
Next when the wind changes direction and the plane won't stall-spin can I
call "change direction"......Last time it was do not judge TO and landings.
Now it's which way do I want to land.
I think a big wind is blowing. .....and another can of worms is open.

Jim Ivey
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Hoard" <khoard at gmail.com>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction

> What if I'm flying at a field where obstacles or other factors cause
> me to be more comfortable landing in one direction and I may want to
> accept a slight tailwind to avoid those obstacles?
>
> Why shouldn't the PIC (Pilot In Command) of the airplane be able to
> freely choose takeoff and landing direction without explanation as
> long as it doesn't cause a conflict with other airplanes?
>
> On 4/7/07, Paul Horan <paul.horan at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > Lance,
> >    This is not a problem since Sportsman fliers some times change
landing
> > direction and land vertically rather than horicontally.
> > Paul
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lance Van Nostrand" <patterndude at tx.rr.com>
> > To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 6:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
> >
> >
> > >I haven't seen the problem in contests I've been to.  Generally the CD
will
> > > declare takeoff direction is pilots option, if the winds are
> > > light/variable
> > > and the field and contest can tolerate it.  Otherwise a direction of
> > > takeoff
> > > is stated and followed.  This can happen on a calm day if the CD
prefers
> > > the
> > > uniformity of it.  The only time the proposed scenario would occur is
if
> > > the
> > > permission is there to fly either direction, which is not that often.
If
> > > it
> > > is in place, then someone could possibly change landing direction
> > > unecessarily, but since most contests have a defined manuver direction
and
> > > there is no requirement to let someone land downwind, any pilot
planning
> > > on
> > > this game will find themselves burned over time.  On the other hand,
if
> > > this
> > > helps a sportsman enjoy his day (and many sportsman are not traveling
> > > competitors) then is this really a problem?
> > >
> > > --Lance
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jerry Stebbins" <JAStebbins at worldnet.att.net>
> > > To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:19 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
> > >
> > >
> > >> Mark, interesting, and very astute observation. Now you do not need
to
> > >> guess
> > >> why it was initiated!!! The reasons/rationale stated were only
developed
> > >> to
> > >> sell it. Same thing happened once before--"no scores for Takeoff and
> > >> Landings".It now has gone full circle and the purported rationale has
> > >> finally been overcome by common sense and "facts".
> > >> Jerry
> > >> Jerry
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Mark Atwood" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> > >> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > >> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:47 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>I think my only annoyance with all of this is number of times I have
> > >>>watched
> > >>> pilots purposely take off down wind in a "mild" wind because it
allowed
> > >>> them
> > >>> to fly their preferred direction only to cry "SAFETY" when the wind
> > >>> picked
> > >>> up and suddenly their choice of direction isn't so desirable.
> > >>>
> > >>> I don't think anyone questions a major wind shift during a flight
should
> > >>> be
> > >>> allowed some variance in making a landing.  But let's face
it...those
> > >>> times
> > >>> are few and far between. The real issue is the quartering cross wind
> > >>> that's
> > >>> shifting slightly from upwind to downwind, where the pilot picks his
> > >>> preference for take off and his pattern, rather than thinking about
the
> > >>> landing.
> > >>>
> > >>> -M
> > >>>
> > >>> On 4/6/07 2:39 PM, "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> As a pilot I always feel the ultimate decision rests with the
pilot.  I
> > >>>> would ask permission to land the opposite way but if not given and
felt
> > >>>> it
> > >>>> was a safety issue to land downwind I would take the zero and land
the
> > >>>> reverse direction. Smarter to be safe and go home with an intact
> > >>>> airplane
> > >>>> then to land and force a mishap. Having said that, it also forces
> > >>>> greater
> > >>>> responsibility on the pilot to make sure he isn't conflicting with
> > >>>> opposing
> > >>>> traffic if he so chooses to land into the wind and causes a mishap
by
> > >>>> reversing direction. So the decision is not to be taken lightly.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>     Del
> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> From: <randy9004 at comcast.net>
> > >>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:35 PM
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Does the pilot/caller get to decide if the wind has changed
> > >>>>> directions?
> > >>>>> Does a judge need to agree?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Randy
> > >>>>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > >>>>> From: "Don Ramsey" <donramsey at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>> To those who read my March Kfactor article, I seem to have
mistated
> > >>>>>> the
> > >>>>>> intent
> > >>>>>> of the new landing direction rule.  After re-reading the intent
of
> > >>>>>> the
> > >>>>>> rule, it
> > >>>>>> seems the rule was put in to allow a change of landing direction
only
> > >>>>>> for
> > >>>>>> a wind
> > >>>>>> change.  This is implied in the new rule.  The landing direction
> > >>>>>> should
> > >>>>>> always
> > >>>>>> be in the direciton of takeoff unless the wind changes to a
direction
> > >>>>>> that would
> > >>>>>> cause a downwind landing.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Thanks to all who brought this to my attention.
> > >>>>>> Don
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
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>
> Keith Hoard
> Collierville, TN
> khoard at gmail.com
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