[NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction

[Ron Van Putte]

Hmmmm.  If a pilot says he's going to land vertically, or inverted,  
is his landing downgraded?  Where's Don Ramsey?

Ron Van Putte

On Apr 7, 2007, at 8:21 PM, Paul Horan wrote:

> Lance,
>     This is not a problem since Sportsman fliers some times change  
> landing
> direction and land vertically rather than horicontally.
> Paul
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lance Van Nostrand" <patterndude at tx.rr.com>
> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
>
>
>> I haven't seen the problem in contests I've been to.  Generally  
>> the CD will
>> declare takeoff direction is pilots option, if the winds are
>> light/variable
>> and the field and contest can tolerate it.  Otherwise a direction of
>> takeoff
>> is stated and followed.  This can happen on a calm day if the CD  
>> prefers
>> the
>> uniformity of it.  The only time the proposed scenario would occur  
>> is if
>> the
>> permission is there to fly either direction, which is not that  
>> often.  If
>> it
>> is in place, then someone could possibly change landing direction
>> unecessarily, but since most contests have a defined manuver  
>> direction and
>> there is no requirement to let someone land downwind, any pilot  
>> planning
>> on
>> this game will find themselves burned over time.  On the other  
>> hand, if
>> this
>> helps a sportsman enjoy his day (and many sportsman are not traveling
>> competitors) then is this really a problem?
>>
>> --Lance
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jerry Stebbins" <JAStebbins at worldnet.att.net>
>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
>>
>>
>>> Mark, interesting, and very astute observation. Now you do not  
>>> need to
>>> guess
>>> why it was initiated!!! The reasons/rationale stated were only  
>>> developed
>>> to
>>> sell it. Same thing happened once before--"no scores for Takeoff and
>>> Landings".It now has gone full circle and the purported rationale  
>>> has
>>> finally been overcome by common sense and "facts".
>>> Jerry
>>> Jerry
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mark Atwood" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
>>>
>>>
>>>> I think my only annoyance with all of this is number of times I  
>>>> have
>>>> watched
>>>> pilots purposely take off down wind in a "mild" wind because it  
>>>> allowed
>>>> them
>>>> to fly their preferred direction only to cry "SAFETY" when the wind
>>>> picked
>>>> up and suddenly their choice of direction isn't so desirable.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think anyone questions a major wind shift during a  
>>>> flight should
>>>> be
>>>> allowed some variance in making a landing.  But let's face  
>>>> it...those
>>>> times
>>>> are few and far between. The real issue is the quartering cross  
>>>> wind
>>>> that's
>>>> shifting slightly from upwind to downwind, where the pilot picks  
>>>> his
>>>> preference for take off and his pattern, rather than thinking  
>>>> about the
>>>> landing.
>>>>
>>>> -M
>>>>
>>>> On 4/6/07 2:39 PM, "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As a pilot I always feel the ultimate decision rests with the  
>>>>> pilot.  I
>>>>> would ask permission to land the opposite way but if not given  
>>>>> and felt
>>>>> it
>>>>> was a safety issue to land downwind I would take the zero and  
>>>>> land the
>>>>> reverse direction. Smarter to be safe and go home with an intact
>>>>> airplane
>>>>> then to land and force a mishap. Having said that, it also forces
>>>>> greater
>>>>> responsibility on the pilot to make sure he isn't conflicting with
>>>>> opposing
>>>>> traffic if he so chooses to land into the wind and causes a  
>>>>> mishap by
>>>>> reversing direction. So the decision is not to be taken lightly.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Del
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: <randy9004 at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:35 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landing Direction
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Does the pilot/caller get to decide if the wind has changed
>>>>>> directions?
>>>>>> Does a judge need to agree?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Randy
>>>>>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>>>>>> From: "Don Ramsey" <donramsey at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To those who read my March Kfactor article, I seem to have  
>>>>>>> mistated
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> intent
>>>>>>> of the new landing direction rule.  After re-reading the  
>>>>>>> intent of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> rule, it
>>>>>>> seems the rule was put in to allow a change of landing  
>>>>>>> direction only
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> a wind
>>>>>>> change.  This is implied in the new rule.  The landing direction
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>> be in the direciton of takeoff unless the wind changes to a  
>>>>>>> direction
>>>>>>> that would
>>>>>>> cause a downwind landing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks to all who brought this to my attention.
>>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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